this is my first post.
i really feel i need to leave the jw's rather than go along pretending everything is perfect etc.
no friends, me at work.
Wow...what a story...
If you want to leave, take it SLOW...
Don't try to wake up your wife...it sounds like she's the type that will report you immediately.
Just keep doing what you're doing...deflect any questioning...and ignore the elders... Don't give them power over you.
Welcome to the forum.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
What does it say about love that it cannot be proven conclusively? Hey, the Bible says that God is love. Maybe neither are real.
Love is an emotion. Are you saying that God is nothing more than just a "feeling" one might have?
The God of the Bible, on the other hand, creates spirit beings, he talks, he writes, he kills, creates, destroys, parts oceans and impregnates virgins.
Shouldn't it be pretty easy to prove that a God that does all those things exists? Should you have to resort to comparing a being that does all those things to an emotion in order to prove he exists? Wouldn't there be more conclusive evidence of him if he really did all those things?
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
AFRIKANMAN: NONE of us can Prove conclusively any of this either way
What does that say about God that he can't be proven conclusively?
This most powerful being in existence, creator of all life, all knowing, all wise, almighty, can't be proven conclusively.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
I don't feel it was a "loaded" thread.
There either is evidence or there isn't.
The fact that some think it's a loaded question perhaps shows their lack of evidence to begin with.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
I want to believe. However, I haven't found any evidence to support that belief.
Have you? If so please, show me the evidence that God exists, and I will believe along with you.
Criteria:
(1) You must specify which God you are talking about;
(2) Evidence presented must be verifiable.
So please. Here is your opportunity to convince an atheist he is wrong.
Additional benefit: you may convince someone else that is doubting to remain a believer! What have you got to lose?
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
What god does or allows does not prove or disprove his existance .
No, but what god does or allows DOES prove whether he deserves our worship.
Even if I believed God existed, I wouldn't worship him.
Here's some food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ
cofty- perhaps you would like to teach us the "first thing about evolution".. truth doubter .
Here you go...I'll make it even easier for you:
#1 Protein Functional Redundancy
Comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things.
#2 DNA Functional Redundancy
Comparison of the DNA that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy.
#3 ERVs
Endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins.
#4 Smelly Genes
Hundreds of broken genes that used to code for olfactory receptors in our ancestors are still found in our genome.
#5 Vitamin C
Why humans can no longer make their own vitamin C and what that tells us about our species' history.
#6 Human Chromosome 2
Our second biggest chromosome is made up of two of our ancestors' genes stuck end-to-end.
#7 Human Egg Yolk Gene
Humans and our primate cousins have the genes for making vitellogenin and they are all broken in the same way.
#8 Jumping Genes
Bits of parasitic code called ALU elements prove our common ancestry with primates.
#9 Less Chewing More Thinking
A broken gene for a type of muscle fibre we no longer have tells a story about our evolutionary past.
#10 Non-Coding DNA
In common with many other species huge amounts of our genome originated as copying errors.
#11 Tiktaalik
An amazing fossil discovery illustrates the transition of life from sea to land.
#12 Lenski's E.coli Experiment
An experiment with E.Coli, now in it's third decade, demonstrates the power of natural selection.
#13 Morris Minor Bonnets
Evolution has to make do with building on existing designs as illustrated by the recurrent laryngeal nerve.
#14 Joey Goes to Oz
Fossil evidence for the origins of marsupials found in Antarctica exactly as predicted.
#15 Robinson Crusoe
The biogeography of oceanic islands presents an impossible dilemma for creationism.
#16 Aquatic Mammals
An excellent sequence of fossils illustrates the evolutionary journey of whales from land to sea.
#17 Belyaev's Silver Foxes
A 50 year breeding programme demonstrates the amazing power of selection and the interconnected nature of genes.
#18 Fish Fingers
The evolution of limbs is mapped out in an amazing sequence of ancient fish fossils.
#19 Goosebumps
A vestigial reflex bequeathed by our hairier ancestors.
#20 Lucy in the Sky...
An exceptional fossil of a 3 million year old hominid.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
I'm sure, JuandeFiero, you understand really. Mankind would not have survived - not with the free will which we have.
Then why intervene? Surely his point was made.
OK...then explain the confusing of the languages at Babel. What was God so afraid of? That Mankind wouldn't survive? Wouldn't that prove his point?
So, what you're saying is WE have free will, but God doesn't. We can decide to follow one path or another, but God is a slave because it's "impossible for [him] to lie"...and he has no ability to intervene until he proves his point.
Seems to me, we are the superior species.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
So, when a majority of vocal individuals present rational, logical arguments (that so happen to not agree with your ideology), it becomes a melee?
Debate and discussion are not persecution.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Ah, so now the issue is total independence, not just independence from God.
Interesting how the story evolves when you're challenged. (Incidentally, this is how confirmation bias coupled with cognitive dissonance works...you change the story to fit your worldview.)
So, Mankind could survive without God if Satan and his demons helped us out, is that what you're saying?
How about the parting of the Red Sea? Isn't that intervening in Mankind's affairs?
How about killing 180,000 Assyrians overnight...isn't that intervening?
How about every time God answers a prayer...isn't that intervening?
