Posts by juandefiero

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

juandefiero

I'm sure, JuandeFiero, you understand really. Mankind would not have survived - not with the free will which we have.

Then why intervene? Surely his point was made.

OK...then explain the confusing of the languages at Babel. What was God so afraid of? That Mankind wouldn't survive? Wouldn't that prove his point?

So, what you're saying is WE have free will, but God doesn't. We can decide to follow one path or another, but God is a slave because it's "impossible for [him] to lie"...and he has no ability to intervene until he proves his point.

Seems to me, we are the superior species.

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

juandefiero

So, when a majority of vocal individuals present rational, logical arguments (that so happen to not agree with your ideology), it becomes a melee?

Debate and discussion are not persecution.

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

juandefiero

Ah, so now the issue is total independence, not just independence from God.

Interesting how the story evolves when you're challenged. (Incidentally, this is how confirmation bias coupled with cognitive dissonance works...you change the story to fit your worldview.)

So, Mankind could survive without God if Satan and his demons helped us out, is that what you're saying?

How about the parting of the Red Sea? Isn't that intervening in Mankind's affairs?

How about killing 180,000 Assyrians overnight...isn't that intervening?

How about every time God answers a prayer...isn't that intervening?

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

juandefiero

Respectfully nicolaou, as I've already shown, intervention before the due time will ensure that those evil actions continue without end.
If you do not like the idea of God, then be my guest - don't believe in Him - but do not slander Him or me in your angst

Why haven't you answered the question about God intervening like he did in the Bible?

Just explain ONE. The Flood. If you've shown God can't intervene, why did he intervene in Noah's day?

I guess God can't break his rules (except when he breaks his rules) but when he breaks those rules, he's not really breaking the rules because he makes the rules to begin with.

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

juandefiero

What about when God drowned almost everyone on the planet in the flood, wasn't that intervention?
What about the tower of Babel when God confused all the languages and spread everyone apart, wasn't that intervention?
What about when God helped Judah kill 500,000 men, wasn't that intervention (2 Chronicles 13:15)?
What about when he killed all the firstborn (including babies) in Egypt, wasn't that intervention?
What about when God ordered the genocide of the Midianites, Amalekites, the people of Heshbon, and the people of Bashan - wasn't that intervention (1 Samuel 15:1-9, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Deuteronomy 2:32-35)?
What about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, wasn't that intervention?
What about God sending two bears to maul children to death for calling Elisha bald, wasn't that intervention (2 Kings 2:23)?
What about God giving Jeptha victory over the Ammonites on the condition that he sacrifice his daughter, wasn't that intervention (Judges 11:30-39)?
What about God giving Samson strength so he can kill 30 men for their clothes, wasn't that intervention (Judges 14:11-19)?
etc.
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Clearly God can intervene to cause destruction and death. And it's not just humans that experience suffering. It's also animals that suffer and die too. What about them?

Notice how Acts5v29 never responded to that comment.

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BEWARE - More force adding on FB

by JRK in

jw
friends

they are doing it again.. a new group trying to boost membership is adding people without permission.. "ex-jehovah's witnesses aka behind the veil of jw.org" added me this afternoon.

they were bragging about how quickly they grew to over 2000 members.

i quickly exited the group.

juandefiero

Hmmm...just Googled his name....

Do you think this is the same guy?

http://www.ericdsnider.com/blog/2007/09/10/tim-nasson-still-a-crazy-liar/

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Cuban Cigars

by OnTheWayOut in

so mrs. otwo and i see something on television about cuban cigars.

she asks me if they are allowed into the united states.

i told her that i believe there is a softening of the rules, but they are still difficult to get.

juandefiero

I've smoked Cubans in Mexico before. Surprisingly, I found I preferred Dominican.

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Christadelphian

by Billy1000 in

my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.

i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.

in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.