@pr0ner Honestly, having a legit company you use for activism isn't a bad idea in theory, it's just the people running these companies have turned out to be garbage. A real company with objectives and projects that get shit done... nothing wrong with that. But I remember AAWA back in the day and the whole "outing" by force adding into Facebook groups was disgusting. And I think there was some sexting by some members, or something... whatever the case, it was like a bunch of stupid children with no clue how to behave as a real business.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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DerekMoors
That was one of his early missteps, pretending that he could tell his patrons to mind their own business without facing consequences.
That's why you don't wait until your children are adults to discipline them. He's been taught this sense of entitlement his whole life; as a man and then an elder in the religion, he could do whatever he wanted and then just throw his weight around (not literally because that might kill someone) and people would need to not only mind their business but admit he's right just by virtue of his maleness and eldership in the religion.
Unfortunately being coddled by his minions outside the religion didn't help. He learned he could keep screaming and chest thumping and making comments about his family's safety and his mental health and his life's work and whatever else, and still get his own way.
Plus he’s just not that smart. An intelligent person could see when they can push and when to step back and keep some things close to the vest. He’s just so self-absorbed he literally doesn’t think he can do anything wrong, ever.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
why did Evans soar to prominence?
IMHO he worked hard to elbow his way into anything that gave him prominence, first aided and abetted by Richard Kelly and AAWA. Kelly wanted to turn activism into a business and nonprofit (probably to funnel his own money through for tax purposes, I suspect) and used that clout as a real business to approach people like Hassan and suggest JWs be part of Hassan's next edition of his cult books. I assume Hassan used Lloyd's story in it since he was then associated with AAWA and Kelly needed that inclusion. So, the ass pimple didn't do it all on his own.
That selfishness and pushiness is what got him into the Crisis of Conscience fiasco. Whoever the publisher was, they let it fall by the wayside, so Lloyd didn't even ask for permission but just snapped it up and started printing hard copies. Even put his logo on the back because he has to be included in something xJW related. Problem is, he doesn't have the brains to think these things through and thought he could just keep chest thumping and crowing and get his own way, like a typical spoiled JW man-baby.
I also remember Lloyd working his way into a quick snippet of a TV interview just when he was starting to get big and important in his own flea brain, and it was a complete disaster. Something about shunning was brought up and he starts to ramble about when the practice began and other trivial nonsense that no one cared about. Even the interviewer has that "what the hell" look on her face.
But of course that didn't stop him from constantly pushing himself into the face of other reporters, who were probably just so eager for an audience and story that they turned a blind eye to legit detractors.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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DerekMoors
He used the analogy of a doctor by saying that b/c the doctor helped people, should people expect him to account for everything he bought with his salary.
But as is usual with stupid Lloyd, this is just twisting the narrative and the strawman argument; no one ever asked the neck beard to account for everything he buys with any earnings.
He glossed over the point that people paying him through Patreon probably don't care if he spends it on his family and bills, legit vacations and hobbies, etc., but have every right to object to their money going to fund the human trafficking trade and esp. if it's in an area known for child trafficking.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Lloyd wants to talk about the far right because he thinks it will make him seem smart but also because he has this image of himself taking on the big baddies of the world. Remember when he was crowing about being a brave atheist, standing up to the bible thumpers in the community? Except many of his detractors were atheists or never discussed their religious leanings to begin with.
He's also the big brave apostate, pretending that he's fighting against a multi-billion dollar company that's somehow trying to shut him down. Where and when did this happen? He got a YT copyright strike and some legal notice that they were getting his contact info but so did about 50 other activists, if I remember correctly. And that whole issue seemed to go nowhere. WT isn't changing their policies after having paid out tens of millions in lawsuits but he thinks his big mouth has them quaking in their boots.
And now he's Super Lloyd, deeply thinking about the tough issues of the day and speaking out against the rise of the far right... with a stupid tweet that 12 whole people liked. What a strong, brave soldier he is. Move over Avengers, there's a new superhero in town.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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the theoretical “psychology student” would have to write his paper after he has out-lived Evans,... lest he be the target of yet another chase-you-to-the-ends-of-the-earth lawsuit.
I'd say to go for it, since we know he wouldn't get a dime out of it. He'd just keep spending money on crap lawyers while crowing about what a victim he is. Fine, the more he spends on stupid lawsuits, the less money in his pocket to spend on human trafficking victims.
his voice is no longer viewed as anything important. He’s quickly becoming more irrelevant by the day.
In addition to him losing credibility, let's not forget that the Watchtower is also losing more members than ever before. I know there's no telling how it will unfold over the years but, with more people waking up on their own due to the religion's nonsense and getting sick of waiting for the stupid new system, there will be less and less market for Lloyd's work in the first place.
So, good luck to you Lloyd. We all know you read this thread so let me take one more opportunity to tell you that you brought all this on yourself. You're arrogant, insulting, narcissistic, immature, and just generally an all-around POS. You treat your wife and everyone around you like shit and don't give a damn about anyone but yourself, and you deserve the consequences of your actions. Enjoy the few crumbs of what viewers and Patreon stragglers you have left because it's all downhill from here.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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It's obvious the he enjoys snapping at people and arguing. But here's the thing, you shouldn't enjoy that. It shouldn't make you feel good to jump down someone's throat, get defensive, put them on the defensive, twist their words, and snap and snarl.
If your brain is wired to feel good when you do that, you need to rewire your brain. Learn things like respect, openness, polite communication, acknowledgement of someone else's contributions, etc. That's how polite adults interact.
But we're talking about Lloyd so...
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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This is under his comment about Nazi symbolism and that totally real exchange with his daughter:
JFC, everything is an argument with him. He said in his original post, "I can't help but wonder how other parents have been replying to their kids..." Then a parent answers the question and he has a temper tantrum, and of course crows about all the "learning" he's done. What an arrogant, immature, narcissistic little boy stuck in an ugly old man's body.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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@Vintage Thank you for saying that. Glad my rants and ravings are useful LOL! Honestly, I seriously think a psychology student could write an entire thesis on Lloyd's behavior over the past decade. Talk about how cults like JWs attract or nurture or create narcissists, how he uses every pathetic trick in the book to shout down critics, his justification of visiting prostitutes (even saying "I didn't rape anyone..." Um, yes you did, you just paid someone else to do the dirty work of finding victims). The list goes on. He's a full study on intellectual dishonesties, narcissistic personality disorder, misogyny, virtue signaling, etc. Everything about what it means to be a complete ass wipe of a person.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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One thing that really pisses me off about that is when he says that abused JW women are on their own because those orgs aren't responding to him. That takes the responsibility off the abuser! Whatever abuse victims suffer during the abuse and then afterwards, that's the fault of the abuser and their enablers (elders, etc.).
But nice job Lloyd, taking blame away from the abusers and parking it elsewhere. Those abusive husbands must really appreciate you deflecting blame away from them. "Hey, look at what a horrible situation my abused ex-wife is in, and how it's totally the fault of those shelters and organizations. Aren't they terrible for leaving her on her own like that? Shameful how they've abandoned her."
With friends like you, what abused woman needs enemies? POS.
*Yes, I know men are abused too but I'm mentioning women because the WT always addresses abused women (and let's be honest, female victims will outnumber male victims in that cult) and that's whom Lloyd was discussing.