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Ask and you shall receive; this interview is just absolutely cringe to watch:
DerekMoors
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
He could have tweaked that down to a simple two paragraphs, calling it a standard lower middle class existence and we would have gotten the point. I'm all for painting a picture but no wonder that monstrosity went over 800 pages.
She's brilliant and resourceful.
And yet he's the one who had to flee England with his family due to bad debt... I don't care if you're a pioneer, you pay your bills and put food on the table before you try out for some privileged position in your stupid religion. Even now he's crying that he supposedly can't pay for his daughter's haircut... well then get a real job you lazy pile of human trash. Like your beloved mother did. You think she enjoyed caring for someone else's kids? Probably not but she did what she needed to do to support her kids, so drop the hypocrisy of admiring her for her resourcefulness while you seem to have none.
His dad was a bumbling fool; unattractive, clumsy, broke and not worthy in any way of his mum.
And that's Lloyd in a nutshell. If it wasn't for that religion elevating men to their godlike status and women to just their "helpers" and housekeepers, neither Lloyd nor his dad would stand a chance with any decent woman.
I wonder when it will hit Lloyd that there's a reason he has to pay for sex outside his marriage and hasn't just hooked up with some woman down the street or someplace? Since we know you're reading Lloyd, it's not just because you're ugly on the outside but because you're an ugly person on the inside. No self-respecting woman would tolerate a date with your self-absorbed personality, much less want to hop in the sack with you.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
JFC what does any of that story have to do with anything? (I mean that toward Lloyd, not toward @las for posting it.) Was there a point he made in that nonsense, something about how it affected them as Witnesses, something to do with his waking up process, anything?
Also interesting that he admits his mother was the more mature one of his parents but then treats his wife like such rubbish.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
People did move on from the COC debacle. People did move on from the time he attacked people for asking that their $150 donation for his second book go instead for another abuse survivor's story. People moved on from all these shithead attacks. condescension and outright arrogance.
It never worked. He kept upping the ante every time he got away with it.Excellent points. I think from my time and the wife's time back then that people were willing to say "okay these things were wrong but like a teenager stepping out into the world, you're immature and just learning how to behave so we'll forgive you..." BUT with the unspoken agreement that he would learn his lesson and do better as time went on, just as you would a child.
Instead, like you said, he just kept shitting all over anyone and everyone. Maybe it had the opposite effect, that he kept getting emboldened... "look, I can steal someone else's book, lie about it, post a big thread about how they're the bad guy, and still just get more viewers to my channel... I can ask people to pay me to include their abuse stories in my book, in a whopping 300 words that I must approve, and people will still follow me and buy that same book..."
He never felt any reason to change so why be a better person if there's nothing in it for him? But his narcissism is so deep, this last fiasco has actually cost him half his patrons and virtually everyone who worked with him but he still doesn't see a need to change, just attacks and claims they're lying and he's the victim and waa waa.
Better learn how to budget Lloyd because the days of you sucking off the xJW teat are long over. No more getting thousands up front to write a book, your YT audience is mediocre at best, and no one wants you on any of their projects, xJW or otherwise. I've said it before, you brought all this on yourself. Good luck to you in your future endeavors LOL.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
@pr0ner Honestly, having a legit company you use for activism isn't a bad idea in theory, it's just the people running these companies have turned out to be garbage. A real company with objectives and projects that get shit done... nothing wrong with that. But I remember AAWA back in the day and the whole "outing" by force adding into Facebook groups was disgusting. And I think there was some sexting by some members, or something... whatever the case, it was like a bunch of stupid children with no clue how to behave as a real business.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
That was one of his early missteps, pretending that he could tell his patrons to mind their own business without facing consequences.
That's why you don't wait until your children are adults to discipline them. He's been taught this sense of entitlement his whole life; as a man and then an elder in the religion, he could do whatever he wanted and then just throw his weight around (not literally because that might kill someone) and people would need to not only mind their business but admit he's right just by virtue of his maleness and eldership in the religion.
Unfortunately being coddled by his minions outside the religion didn't help. He learned he could keep screaming and chest thumping and making comments about his family's safety and his mental health and his life's work and whatever else, and still get his own way.
Plus he’s just not that smart. An intelligent person could see when they can push and when to step back and keep some things close to the vest. He’s just so self-absorbed he literally doesn’t think he can do anything wrong, ever.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
why did Evans soar to prominence?
IMHO he worked hard to elbow his way into anything that gave him prominence, first aided and abetted by Richard Kelly and AAWA. Kelly wanted to turn activism into a business and nonprofit (probably to funnel his own money through for tax purposes, I suspect) and used that clout as a real business to approach people like Hassan and suggest JWs be part of Hassan's next edition of his cult books. I assume Hassan used Lloyd's story in it since he was then associated with AAWA and Kelly needed that inclusion. So, the ass pimple didn't do it all on his own.
That selfishness and pushiness is what got him into the Crisis of Conscience fiasco. Whoever the publisher was, they let it fall by the wayside, so Lloyd didn't even ask for permission but just snapped it up and started printing hard copies. Even put his logo on the back because he has to be included in something xJW related. Problem is, he doesn't have the brains to think these things through and thought he could just keep chest thumping and crowing and get his own way, like a typical spoiled JW man-baby.
I also remember Lloyd working his way into a quick snippet of a TV interview just when he was starting to get big and important in his own flea brain, and it was a complete disaster. Something about shunning was brought up and he starts to ramble about when the practice began and other trivial nonsense that no one cared about. Even the interviewer has that "what the hell" look on her face.
But of course that didn't stop him from constantly pushing himself into the face of other reporters, who were probably just so eager for an audience and story that they turned a blind eye to legit detractors.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
He used the analogy of a doctor by saying that b/c the doctor helped people, should people expect him to account for everything he bought with his salary.
But as is usual with stupid Lloyd, this is just twisting the narrative and the strawman argument; no one ever asked the neck beard to account for everything he buys with any earnings.
He glossed over the point that people paying him through Patreon probably don't care if he spends it on his family and bills, legit vacations and hobbies, etc., but have every right to object to their money going to fund the human trafficking trade and esp. if it's in an area known for child trafficking.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
Lloyd wants to talk about the far right because he thinks it will make him seem smart but also because he has this image of himself taking on the big baddies of the world. Remember when he was crowing about being a brave atheist, standing up to the bible thumpers in the community? Except many of his detractors were atheists or never discussed their religious leanings to begin with.
He's also the big brave apostate, pretending that he's fighting against a multi-billion dollar company that's somehow trying to shut him down. Where and when did this happen? He got a YT copyright strike and some legal notice that they were getting his contact info but so did about 50 other activists, if I remember correctly. And that whole issue seemed to go nowhere. WT isn't changing their policies after having paid out tens of millions in lawsuits but he thinks his big mouth has them quaking in their boots.
And now he's Super Lloyd, deeply thinking about the tough issues of the day and speaking out against the rise of the far right... with a stupid tweet that 12 whole people liked. What a strong, brave soldier he is. Move over Avengers, there's a new superhero in town.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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DerekMoors
the theoretical “psychology student” would have to write his paper after he has out-lived Evans,... lest he be the target of yet another chase-you-to-the-ends-of-the-earth lawsuit.
I'd say to go for it, since we know he wouldn't get a dime out of it. He'd just keep spending money on crap lawyers while crowing about what a victim he is. Fine, the more he spends on stupid lawsuits, the less money in his pocket to spend on human trafficking victims.
his voice is no longer viewed as anything important. He’s quickly becoming more irrelevant by the day.
In addition to him losing credibility, let's not forget that the Watchtower is also losing more members than ever before. I know there's no telling how it will unfold over the years but, with more people waking up on their own due to the religion's nonsense and getting sick of waiting for the stupid new system, there will be less and less market for Lloyd's work in the first place.
So, good luck to you Lloyd. We all know you read this thread so let me take one more opportunity to tell you that you brought all this on yourself. You're arrogant, insulting, narcissistic, immature, and just generally an all-around POS. You treat your wife and everyone around you like shit and don't give a damn about anyone but yourself, and you deserve the consequences of your actions. Enjoy the few crumbs of what viewers and Patreon stragglers you have left because it's all downhill from here.