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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  A very rough estimate of 20,000 copies sold is reasonable. It might be more; I’d be surprised if it was much fewer.

  I have to disagree for a few reasons; while it's interesting that he's gotten 600 reviews, I think more readers of his book would be impelled to review it because they were more excited to see a book against Watchtower than, say, someone reading a random mystery novel. His followers are also more cult-like than you find with anyone else so they'll leave a good review if their lard and master tells them to.

  Bookstores don't sell self-published books as they don't work with individual authors but through a distributor. Distributors don't work with self-published authors as it's a nightmare trying to establish revenue sharing, returns, etc. Remember that dumb little book signing he did in London or wherever, no one showed up and he left a few with the store owner?

  So we can rule out a lot of members of the general public buying it. That leaves exJWs on social media, Hemant Mehta's audience (he wrote the foreword), random YouTube viewers, and anyone clicking on his website.

  Also, the size and price is prohibitive for a lot of people and there was a free PDF floating around for a time.

  So I'd say several thousand is a good estimate but highly doubt it even got to 10,000. Just my two cents of course.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  I honestly don't know if I believe those Patreon numbers. Half (or more) might just be him attempting to save face. It's something a loser like him would do, as his swirls down the bowl.

  He's at 365 paid so he lost one sometime yesterday. Hopefully that means any upticks he gets due to all these changes and more people searching for content will be minimal if even nonexistent.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  So more power the elders can weild over you, asking obscene questions and determining how long you'll stay out by how well you grovel at their feet. The fact that people stay in it and other people pay Lloyd to save them from it shows that there really is a sucker born every minute.
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  2908

  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  I heard last night that from now on, disfellowshipping is for 90 days before you can be reinstated. WTF? Their members will be screwing each other and doing drugs and whatever else, and just taking a 90-day breather from having to schlepp microphones.

  All these changes, he's bound to have an uptick but I'm curious where it will be 6 months from now when people inside adjust.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  As the GB abolishes their cultic rules and doctrines and makes JWism mainline, the religion will no longer be an authoritarian threat. So why would anyone pay Lloyd money to rail against doctrines and rules the JWs no longer practice?

  Excellent point. I'm also thinking that he might get a slight uptick in members if he kicks out more content. Right now, with all the changes to JWs, it's easy to comment on WT without doing a lot of research or relying on someone else to feed you info on legal cases... a perfect scenario for lazy asses like him.

  Plus, more people might be searching for content, to find out what's going on. So he might have a good month or two ahead of him but again, it's all bubble and burst with his useless self.

  WT has also never been drying up as much as what I'm seeing right now. They think these changes will retain members but it just makes people question their credibility all the more. Sure, some diehards will gobble up the "new light" BS but others are like, if you're changing so much, that means you didn't know what you were talking about last year, last decade, etc. A lot of diehard JWs also like the idea of being as different as possible... no beards, jackets and ties, and skirts really made them "stand out from the world." Now they're losing their holier-than-thou identity. So they're bound to lose more members than keep them with this rubbish, which also means less work for Lord of the Fries over here.

  In the meantime, anyone wanna guess what this is all about? I'm thinking he's getting such a shitty turnout for his conference calls, he's opening the door to other, less deserving members. All of one little heart between the two posts. His ego must be starving.

  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  4000 views in 17 hours. Pathetic.

  To keep people updated with news, he'd have to do actual research. Before, he had Redwood and whomever else spoon feeding him information. He's too lazy to check news sites, get organized about stories, etc., so it's more of him just regurgitating videos and spouting off his opinions... which is super easy peasy to do with JWs. "They think everyone will be disintegrated... charming, isn't it?" Wow, so deep. So detailed. So much work and effort went into that. zzzzzzzz
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  2908

  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  1000 subscribers in a week... riiiight. It took him forever to hit 110,000.

  And what has he done to earn that? Two videos in two weeks and the one about Norway is still languishing at a sad 12K views in 2 days.

  I call bullshit.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  He promised to "hit the ground running" in March but that video was the first he did this month, posted on the 7th. A pathetic 9K views in 21 hours.

  Meanwhile ExJW Panda Tower did one on the latest cartoon, also posted 21 hours ago, at 26K views.

  That channel and others already have at least 2 videos out this month. Twice the content, more than twice the views.

  Seriously, when it comes down to Lloyd's work and he can't rely on others, nothing gets done and no one is listening. Pathetic.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I love how he makes it a JW watch bulletin, as if that website is still relevant. O'Donnell did most of the writing in past years and the last entry is one of his from August 2021.

  That video has also gotten barely 2000 views in 3 hours. Several days late, several dollars short, several nose sizes too big...
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool April 2024

  by DerekMoors in

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  you know the drill.

  here's an updated chart and i'm using 356 because that's where he's at today.

  please let me know if there's anything you think might be added.

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  DerekMoors

  He's not meeting his obligations.

  I mentioned this in the other thread, YouTube takes that a lot more seriously than Patreon. Legit complaints and they'll suspend that permanently, not that I think he's making a lot from it with just over 70 members... and I agree, I'm sure most are at the $1 or $5 level.