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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  He's at 368 paid patron members so regained what he lost the beginning of this month, plus just one.

  I predict a small fall next Monday the 1st and then slight upticks in the next few months, because I'm sure he's seeing the handwriting on the wall when it comes to people throwing money at him for nothing and will be putting out more videos.

  It must also be sinking in with him that he couldn't just have a temper tantrum and file some bullshit papers with the courts and *poof* they'd force the M7 to pay him thousands of dollars. Not only is that case going nowhere but who knows how much money he wasted on his lawyer and other costs.

  P.S. Be sure to adjust your patreoff numbers this weekend if you want. We're gonna rethink ours and put in a new bid soon enough.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Five minutes of research about Pa Tong tells you it's known for two things, beaches and nightlife.

  If he just wanted beaches, why not Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, or just stay in Croatia? No, he wanted the nightlife too and Thailand's nightlife is famous for one thing only and that's prostitution.

  He can take this "I went to eat good food and ride elephants only" garbage and shove it. Part of breaking away from JWs is learning to not just accept whatever your "leader" shoves down your throat as true.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  The whole "dating" concept wasn't offered until he realized that people were dropping him like a hot shit for soliciting prostitutes. In his mind, he thought he could just say he was using prostitutes, blame his wife for not fulfilling his needs and WT for tampering with his sexuality, and it would all be fine. Everyone would be so sympathetic and supportive.

  So, when he saw his support drying up left and right, he had to alter his story and suddenly paint it as if he was actually going out on legitimate dates with someone who just happened to be a sex worker. In Thailand. Where he was for a month. Because of course sex workers in Thailand legitimately "date" foreign men who are in their country for a limited time. But that was the only straw he could grasp at once he realized he could no longer BS people and count on their unwavering support. Uselss lying deceitful ass hat.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  So he was pissed that the guy got a copy for free and to punish him, Lloyd [checks notes] stopped him from providing more free translating services.

  Did his mother work around a lot of chemicals while she was pregnant or something?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  he’s not doing any language that would require him to pay the translator.

  Didn't he also get pissed when he found out they were all sharing one copy of the book rather than paying for their own individual copies, or something like that? If I'm not mistaken, he not only didn't pay them but expected them to buy a book that they would translate for free.

  Reddit seriously needs their own Choosing Beggars subreddit just for his greedy ass alone.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Doing a second edition is stupid; everyone has already read it. It's not a health handbook or map of fun stuff to do in L.A. or other guide that people might need to buy every few years. Seriously, who updates their story AFTER they become irrelevant?

  I'm sure the updates will include some whiny story about the "defamation" against him. Yes Lloyd, do put it in writing so Kim and the rest can have this very real attorney they've hired sue the living shit out of you. God he's so stupid...
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Whatever he earned, we know it's probably mostly gone by now. He has a (now ex) wife, two growing kids, and expensive habits to support. Book sales from something that is old news fast is nothing to rely on long-term, and especially for JWs... look at his second book, about "escaping" the JWs. That's now outdated with their changed rules on DFing and shunning. Even if he earned $100,000 from the book, that's a decent but not amazing annual salary for a family head here in the U.S. But even an amazing salary, you need to earn it every year, not just once and then you're set for life.

  But like it's been brought out, he never thought the gravy train would stop rolling. He's like these actors or rappers or whoever, they hit it big with their debut or first role and assume they're gonna be millionaires for life, and then find out their follow up material is outdated or they get too big for their britches and on one wants to hire them, etc. Pretty soon they're declaring bankruptcy and having to sell off their ugly houses and gold teeth just to buy food.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  A very rough estimate of 20,000 copies sold is reasonable. It might be more; I’d be surprised if it was much fewer.

  I have to disagree for a few reasons; while it's interesting that he's gotten 600 reviews, I think more readers of his book would be impelled to review it because they were more excited to see a book against Watchtower than, say, someone reading a random mystery novel. His followers are also more cult-like than you find with anyone else so they'll leave a good review if their lard and master tells them to.

  Bookstores don't sell self-published books as they don't work with individual authors but through a distributor. Distributors don't work with self-published authors as it's a nightmare trying to establish revenue sharing, returns, etc. Remember that dumb little book signing he did in London or wherever, no one showed up and he left a few with the store owner?

  So we can rule out a lot of members of the general public buying it. That leaves exJWs on social media, Hemant Mehta's audience (he wrote the foreword), random YouTube viewers, and anyone clicking on his website.

  Also, the size and price is prohibitive for a lot of people and there was a free PDF floating around for a time.

  So I'd say several thousand is a good estimate but highly doubt it even got to 10,000. Just my two cents of course.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I honestly don't know if I believe those Patreon numbers. Half (or more) might just be him attempting to save face. It's something a loser like him would do, as his swirls down the bowl.

  He's at 365 paid so he lost one sometime yesterday. Hopefully that means any upticks he gets due to all these changes and more people searching for content will be minimal if even nonexistent.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors

  So more power the elders can weild over you, asking obscene questions and determining how long you'll stay out by how well you grovel at their feet. The fact that people stay in it and other people pay Lloyd to save them from it shows that there really is a sucker born every minute.