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Padron Case Settled. What happens to the fine?
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
it seems that irwin zalkin has obtained undisclosed settlement in the case.

the $4000 a day fine then seems to be dead.

the downside?
Bobby2446

Phoebe
You want a plaintiff to see it through? You need a plaintiff that isn’t out to get paid. The fact is that its ONLY about the money. Lawyers only want money. This is the real world. People have bills.
So far, plaintiffs are content with quietly taking their money and disappearing.
Zalkin is NOT about holding anyone accountable. His goal is to make as much money for himself and his firm as humanly possible. That’s why only sues organizations that have MONEY!
Conti said “I will NEVER $ettle”. We see how much that was worth.

Change to motivation, and you will change the outcomes.
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Padron Case Settled. What happens to the fine?
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
it seems that irwin zalkin has obtained undisclosed settlement in the case.

the $4000 a day fine then seems to be dead.

the downside?
Bobby2446

Slidin Fast;
You didn’t understand what I said — I said the sum is *relatively* paltry. For an organization that nets probably 3 billion a year, even a yearly fine of 1.5 million is NEGLIGIBLE.
And take a number and get in line dude — since 2002, the “next” lawsuit is always said to be the one to “bring down WT” — it’s always “next time” with you wishful thinkers.
You probably should understand that child abuse accusations will not bring down this organization — apathy will. Apathy is religion’s poison, and since it’s an undeniable fact that most Jws still care, you may as well find another hobby.
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Padron Case Settled. What happens to the fine?
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
it seems that irwin zalkin has obtained undisclosed settlement in the case.

the $4000 a day fine then seems to be dead.

the downside?
Bobby2446

Zalkin definitely is not bilking “millions” from the org, and settling can definitely benefit the org. How? Settlement dollar amount are not disclosed, so no one knows how much they are willing to pay to settle (which makes deciding to sue that much more tougher a decision), and the plantiff is barred from talking about it so they cannot sell their story to journalists and movie producers. There is a reason these people fall completely off the map after agreeing to a settlement.
Secondly, it’s better for WT to settle than it is to even see a winning case through. Even if WT were to win, there are no restrictions of the plantiff and they can sell their story to anyone. Settling puts restrictions on them.
So while many celebrate the fact that WT had to write a check, they so easily miss the bigger picture — keeping negative publicity to a minimum in the long term is worth whatever relatively paltry sum of money the plaintiff gets.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

And the problem I see is that people nitpick through the policies to find whatever “flaw” they can muster, and then they make ambiguous, blanket, declarations like: “we need a child-focused policy” or “children need comfort, support, and love”.
Ok - well, how do you suppose you do that in practical terms? What does “child-focused” mean? Where do the parents come into play? What constitutes “child abuse” in the first place?
Does Reclaimed Voices attempt to answer any of those type of questions? Or are they simply content with making unproven, slanderous claims in the media?
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

Is this going to be a “I’m rubber, you’re glue” discussion?
Just acknowledge the fact that this foundation has every intent to pursue legal action first foremost. And 200 “reports” of child abuse are not 200 “incidents” of child abuse.
I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that this organization is also accepting reports of hearsay too, you know, “ I know someone who said they were abused by X “.
The incentive is clearly to balloon the numbers to make it seem worse than what it is. I think your government makes a distinction between rape and touching of the breast for example. I could be wrong.
But your question, a policy with flaws, or a policy with imperfections, it’s not the same as a policy which covers up child abuse.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

Yeah Anders, you can deny all you want that the primary goal of this foundation is to be a litigious organization, but their own information betrays you.
They are begging for money. And the first persons they plant to hire aren’t child abuse specialists, not scientists, not psychologists, but LAWYERS, plural, for unstated and ambiguous reasons.
Lawyers don’t come cheap, and generally are all the same: they are in it to get paid, especially when a rich and hated organization like WT is the target.
I get the feeling their narrative will be something along the lines of: “we demand you adopt policy X, or see you in court”.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

Lol I am all for requirements that don’t violate religious freedom.
Thats their jobs.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

No I don’t find it strange at all. The Bible clearly says that God allows secular government to make laws governing his people.
Its strange to those who never read that before.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

Yeah once you prove your claims, then you can talk. The proof is severely lacking at this point.
And trying to blame the actions of adults on other adults is quite possibly the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard.
No one can make you do anything apart from proven duress. That’s a tall hill you have to climb.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
today a government meeting re.

child abuse & jw was held.

see this post.
Bobby2446

Strong arming them won’t work. Some tried it with the ARC, and the ARC was told (1) we will never abandon the Bible standard of evidence, the so called “two witness rule, (2) women will not be elders, and (3) and shunning or freedom of association is a right of free religious practice and will never be removed.
To force those be “abandoned” is a perversion of justice and will definitely infringe on religious liberty.
All Netherlands has to do make mandatory reporting law, country wide.