And child abuse mishandlings, mostly are not an issue of policy, but execution on the local level.
Bobby2446
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Bobby2446
Um, I don’t think I’m wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/02/18/ex-elder-challenges-jehovahs-witnesses-on-child-abuse/6adbfd21-20ca-4ebd-8993-f71fae88fc5f/?utm_term=.0fa206d323c0
When asked, JR Brown cleared that up 15 years ago, stating the rule included other evidence instead of “a second witness”.
But seeing how emotional you are, the manual supports my point of corroboration (accusation of the same kind of wrongdoing in a separate incident).
So I am not wrong. You’re just emotional, your appeal to authority notwithstanding.
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Bobby2446
Your story reads like the typical atrocity story — someone was abused, elders handled “eternally” and let the abuser have access to children, and threatened to disfellowship anyone who discussed it because it’s “slander”.
Now I didn’t say your story was untrue — I said it was unverified. Some stories may be true, others are not. But there are two sides to every story.
But the fact your story is carefully crafted to cause moral outrage raises suspicions about its veracity. Anti-jws deliberately manufacture their stories just to get that sort of reaction. These stories are common among people who claimed they left a “cult”.
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Bobby2446
Ok now you’re changing your story from “abuse doesn’t happen here” to “abuse is rare”. Those are two completely different statements.
And “we have a spiritual paradise” is not the same as saying “abuse doesn’t happen here”. You are being deceptive.
Frankly, your unverified personal experience really is of little merit. Bill Bowen has several thousand such stories on his website.
The two-witness rule works just as I stated.
And when I said the elders are not investigating abuse, I mean they are not conducting a criminal investigation (testing evidence, rape kits, DNA evidence, etc).
All they are doing is seeing if the accused has been accused more than once, if anyone else knows about it, or if he confesses, to see if he qualifies to remain a jw. That’s it.
That doesn’t not compete with what the police do.
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Bobby2446
You won’t deny the difference because evidence doesn’t allow it. Just before I posted the link, you were no doubt more than happy to make an equal comparison.
Secondly, elders don’t investigate abuse. All they are doing is attempting to corroborate an accusation (dealing with sin — the police deal crime). Straw man.
Thirdly, you are lying. Where in print, or implication, is an attitude that abuse “doesn’t happen here”? Please prove that.
Foruthly, you are ignorant of the two-witness rule (or playing ignorant). It’s an allegation, with corroborating evidence, including BUT NOT LIMITED TO, a physical eye witness. This is the base standard of all civilized justice systems.
Fifthly, you are just speculating about an alleged “conflict of interest”. The fact that very few elders are accused of child abuse means that there is no incentive for them to cover for each other.
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Bobby2446
I was just going to cite that.
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Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???
by redpilltwice inthe title speaks for itself.
lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!
about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.
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Bobby2446
Lol the fact that you had to edit my comment means you simply want to remain ignorant.
But I will provide my source, which is independent:
“But the shape of the scandal is far different than in the Catholic church, where most of the people accused of abuse are priests and a vast majority of the victims were boys and young men. In the Jehovah's Witnesses, where congregations are often collections of extended families and church elders are chosen from among the laypeople, some of those accused are elders, but most are congregation members. The victims who have stepped forward are mostly girls and young women, and many accusations involve incest.”
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2002/08/11/us/ousted-members-say-jehovah-s-witnesses-policy-on-abuse-hides-offenses.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
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Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018
by darkspilver injehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.
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Bobby2446
Now you are arguing semantics, so argue with yourself.
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Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018
by darkspilver injehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.
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Bobby2446
Defensive. No, just not going to argue/discuss something that happened 30 years ago under a different leadership and different legal and financial structure. It’s irrelevant now.
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Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018
by darkspilver injehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.
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Bobby2446
It was THIRTY YEARS AGO! Move on. As you say, they are not in financial trouble today, so what happened then has no financial consequences that we are seeing today. No current GB member was on the GB in 1990, and the WT has been legally reorganized since. Jesus dude...