is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
No, dubstepped — you got ticked off when I dropped the issue right into your backyard — the issue about you being just as “culty” or “controlling” if your house rules are more strick than others.
The point in that comparison was to expose the flaw in your thinking big enough to drive a tractor through.
You didn’t like being forced to think critically about what you said, so you lashed out. That is a FACT.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
Well, thanks Peno for at least having the willingness to reply to the actual question.
Honestly, I absolutely agree that there are links with being told gay is wrong and depression and suicide, but then it becomes a matter of how suicide correlates religious views on homosexuality. It’s not an issue of control at that point.
But it’s simply a term that’s been loosely thrown around to scare people and strike fear into them.
But the fact is that the infantile personal attacks are a result of me forcing people to challenge their own assumptions and analyze their own thinking and conclusions, but since they don’t want to, they lash out.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
Right, dub — lies can’t be explained
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
Your personal attacks on me and your refusal to even acknowledge my question tell me one thing: evidence is the enemy of apostates.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
Stuck - simply parroting and doubling-down on your position doesn’t make it true.
I just want former “cult” members to actually show what they mean. Rules in and of themselves do not imply control. Enforcing those rules do imply control on a behavioral level, which every civilized society does. But that’s not what you are referring to.
So that’s what I want to know. What exactly do you mean and how is it done?
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
And for the record, people can tell you what to do and not be controlling you or necessarily be a controlling person. What constitutes involuntary control, the type of control implied, is a means or mechanism of involuntary control.
Its this point that no one has ever been to answer or demonstrate in reality and show how it exists.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
Dubstepped, don’t attack me - attack my argument.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
Stuck -
How are they “controlled”? The mere existence of rules does not mean you are controlled — we have laws in this country and those laws are enforced, but you would surely agree the government doesn’t control you — so there must be some mechanism in place that you can point to.
So I would like you to explain how are bethelites controlled.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
You have “rules” in your house, don’t you, that are surely more strict than some others. That makes you “culty”? Of course not.
So while no one is actually being controlled at bethel, certain things are definitely disallowed. This is really par the course for virtually every organization on the planet.
is this true?
is this really true?!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.
When it comes to things of a sexual nature, its going to be personal and somewhat invasive and uncomfortable because sex and sexuality is deeply personal, and some people will get offended and be put off, but the organization can’t worry about that.
But keep in mind the target audience. This video is not for all jws — it is for those living at Bethel. So they withhold the right to determine what is tolerated/not tolerated there. So in all candor, there is no “freedom of speech”, sexual freedom, etc, at bethel.
They set the standard.
I am happy I saw the video (I actually skipped the parts where he talked because I wanted to understand the points in context without his usual spin and twisting)
