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  Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a government meeting re.

  child abuse & jw was held.

  see this post.

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  Bobby2446

  Someone may say: “well at least we can use the media to prevent some from joining”.

  So what? People haven’t joined over the course of 130 years! Others have still joined despite the media. It’s really a moot point.
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  Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a government meeting re.

  child abuse & jw was held.

  see this post.

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  Bobby2446

  Brick by brick? I don’t think so. If anything, the goal of “Reclaimed Voices” to garner as much negative media attention as humanly possible is a reflection of the failure of anti-jws to bring down the “tower”.

  The only external force capable of bringing down a religion as large and as well-financed as Jws, is a government. But that hasn’t really worked, as when a government tried to collapse JWs, they only grew. So a group of bitter anti-jws certainly have no shot.

  So I guess the next best thing is to use the media. But in reality, have jws EVER received positive media attention? Hardly, and if so, it was a footnote on the last page of a newspaper/internet article.

  Go back to 1918 when the top directors were jailed, which didn’t break them. Go to the 40s and 50s when they lost they the flag salute case and were dogged as being “anti-American” and “communists” all over the media. Still didn’t break it. Go to 2002, when jws were being accused, all over the internet and news, for hiding child abusers. That was almost 20 years ago. Still not broken.

  So what is my point? Apathy, not bad publicity, is a religion’s poison pill.

  But the organization creates enthusiasm with their new meeting program, feature-length movie productions, and digital initiative. Enthusiasm is the cure for apathy.

  So to successfully break the organization “brick by brick”, the membership itself has to do it, and for that to happen, they have to stop caring, which means those in charge have to stop caring first.

  So 130+ years of negative publicity hasn’t worked. No reason to think it will all-of-a-sudden change in 2018.
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  Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

  since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

  what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

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  Bobby2446

  The organization absolutely could do something to a brother who prays that way.

  (1) praying on the “name” of Michael it’s not in line with the Bible

  (2) The organization is under no obligation to let him pray (in other words, you have no “right” to remain a JW or to offer prayers).

  That basically ends it.
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  Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

  since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

  what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

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  Bobby2446

  If fact, if your dad is a sergeant in a police force, when he’s at home, try calling him Sergeant all day every day and then tell him that he has to keep his mouth shut and not to complain about it because you are “technically right“.
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  Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

  since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

  what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

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  Bobby2446

  You get the point. He is called Sergeant when he is in his role of sergeant. He is called dad when he is in his role as a father.

  But keep ignoring common sense
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  Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

  since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

  what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

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  Bobby2446

  If your dad is a sergeant of a police force, you don’t call him “sergeant” when he’s off work at home do you? You call him dad at home. You address him “sergeant” at work.

  In fact, he wouldn’t want you to Calling him Sergeant at home. Same thing with Jesus and Michael.
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  Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

  since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

  what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

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  Bobby2446

  It wouldn’t be accurate jw teaching to say Michael in a prayer. Jesus Christ is used to recognize his role as Ransomer and redeemer. He’s not such as Michael in heaven, as he is a warrior in that role, not a Ransomer.

  The “explanation” you offered is worse than the post itself
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  The book burning has started

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.

  the ms who's been given the task is a company man.

  no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.

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  Bobby2446

  So? Changing the view (span) of a generation doesn’t change the meaning of the word “generation”.
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  The book burning has started

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.

  the ms who's been given the task is a company man.

  no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.

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  Bobby2446

  And WT is not redefining a word. What they’ve done is date “this generation” from 1914 to at least 1992, in theory.

  Car manufacturers do that all the time. They’ll place a fourth generation car, for example, between 1990-1995 and any car built in that time period is a fourth gen car.

  It can lasts an long as their is at least 1 fourth gen car being driven. Once the last one is off the road, it can be said to be gone.

  The denial of simple facts and logic here is astounding!
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  The book burning has started

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.

  the ms who's been given the task is a company man.

  no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.

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  Bobby2446

  But your parents and your parent’s siblings are of the same generation, and are contemporaries, hence my point.