Posts by Landy

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

Interesting topic. I would first ask what exactly do you mean by anti-JW.

How much a poster dislikes the WTBS I suppose. For whatever reason.

As others have posted, it's not that in black and white. I have no respect for the WT organization, and other than this forum I don't think much about it (unless I have to talk about my upbringing). I'm not in a campaign against them, and I'm not interested in convincing anyone about what I believe, nor my stand or opinions about them. Also, since I am in the USA, I protect their right to exist as a religious organization, as that's how I protect mine.

That's pretty much me. I haven't been to a meeting for over twenty years and I haven't really given them a thought until I got sucked in to this place. Now I stay just to piss off data dog ;)

More importantly, to me being anti-JW means keeping them in my life, which is the opposite of what I prefer to do. In order for me to be "anti" them, I need to keep myself updated with whatever nonsense they come up with. My path is about minimizing their influence and relevance in my life, so remaining up to date and keeping up with their crap creates a negative impact in my well being.

Again that's what I feel. Coming here does me no favours tbh. It's almost as if I'm an ex-jw again :(

We are different people, with different experiences, even as JWs we had different experiences. They treat women differently, they treat the LGBTQ differently, they treat children differently, so the degree of influence is different. Hence, your scale may not make sense as you presented it. Though I think this is an interesting topic.

I think that's what I'm trying to get at. The most common emotion on here seems to be bitterness. If some one is DF'd or similar then they are going to be a lot more anti-jw than I am as someone who simply stopped going. I agree that it's perhaps not a simple as a 1-10 scale but a person's feelings toward the JWs can be a cummulative amalgam of all their experiences and feelings.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

Landy has a tendency for pseudo-intellectual dick measuring, just like Richard Oliver and Fisherman.

<waves>

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

Fair enough, but I will ask the question again, Are you really finding fault because I said sexually molested children are innocent. Isn't that a bit nit-picky?

Yes and no. It's nit picky from a grammatical point of view in that it's redundant, but what gets under my skin is it fits in with the cheap methods used by more than a couple of posters (not you that I've noticed) to emotionalise child abuse to order to score points. It just stood out to me in the context you used it in.

What is really unnecessary is your fault finding over small details. I suppose it's all to draw attention away from the larger problem of JWs sexually molesting children and covering it up for the sake of public image.

Yeah, that's it.

In the OP you said you were about a 6 on your scale of being anti-Witness, but you come across more like a solid 1.

Yeah, right. I'd go down a fucking storm in a KH.

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What do you think the Australian Government will do?

by Richard Oliver in

i am not wanting to start a fight.

i just want to hear what people think.

honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.

Landy

Landy , they have had new guidance since 2017 but the ARC are right to highlight that only the elders are privy to the fact that bringing victims face face with perps will no longer happen.

Thanks Ruby. I'm pretty out of touch now so not really up on their current procedures. That said. Afaik, their safeguarding policies aren't a matter of public record - which is the problem....

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

Really? You're finding fault because I said that children who are sexually abused within the Organization of JWs, then not believed because of the JW misapplication of the 2-witness rule, are innocent?

I objected to your description - not the argument. You used the term to elicit a particular response. Whether unconsciously or not. It was unnecessary.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

...innocent children....

When you start using terms like that you lose me. Can a child who's been the victim of abuse be anything other than innocent?

You've used the term for effect to bolster your argument. It's unnecessary.

On the whole though I agree, the witnesses have played down child abuse (and other crimes) so as not to 'damage the name of jehovah'. I don't think they're alone in that though. Lots of religions and organisations have been guilty of the same thing. That however, is no excuse whatsoever and that's why I'm not as apathetic to them as I would have been had they had proper safeguarding policies in place.

I do believe they are slowly changing though.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

Why does 10 have to be related to a "nutjob apostate?" Why can't 10 be ex-JWs who are telling the truth about the Organization? There are plenty of those on Youtube and they are well worth watching.

Well mark yourself as a 10 then, I haven't got a problem with that.

I will stay away from you at parties though. ;)

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What do you think the Australian Government will do?

by Richard Oliver in

i am not wanting to start a fight.

i just want to hear what people think.

honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.

Landy

Landy there is a case being fought here in the UK - the charity commission against the Moston congregation who brought adult victims (who were pursuing that the perp be disfellowshipped) face to face with the perp and only then was he disfellowshipped. when they were brought face to face with him the vicitms were able to question him and show up very clearly that he had been lying to the elders.

Sounds about right for a kangaroo JC, but there was a time, years ago, when they would have a child victim in the same room as the accused. I don't (I hope) think that happens any more.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

Landy

So, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-JW, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?

I'm probably around a 6. I have the view that JWs are a nothing marginal religion. If I hadn't been brought up as one I doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.

The reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that I have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but I think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

If it wasn't for that I would be entirely comfortable in my apathy and it would be a 5.

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What do you think the Australian Government will do?

by Richard Oliver in

i am not wanting to start a fight.

i just want to hear what people think.

honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.

Landy

Ignore Richard Oliver. He and Fisherman are just here to bait you. Thanks.

Bait you into what? Accepting a dose of realism?