Funny you should mention this, I watched the Godfather for the first time yesterday. Really enjoyed it. It's definitely of its time though. Planning to watch 2 and 3 soon.
Posts by Landy
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11I have just watched The Godfather movies 1,2 &3 this past week.
by smiddy inmany years ago i had only seen the third movie and had never seen the first two for some reason ,so i saw them on stan this past week and enjoyed every second of it.. their were even occasions i could see the gb being depicted in it s portrayal of the rc church... its 45th anniversary is coming up this week since it was first shown in cinemas.
what is your view of this trilogy ?
what were your fav .moments , comments made in the movies?.
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The reality of "shunning" and character assasination highlighted at the Australian Royal Commission
by stuckinarut2 inonce again, the arc has brilliantly highlighted the reality that any witness who either fades or disassociates is subjected to active official shunning by the organization.. the "brothers" tried to state that it was the choice of the indiviual who steps away from the organization to shun them!
they actually tried to make it out to be the fault of the one who leaves!
then they tried to say that those who fade are not shunned!.
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Landy
...if it's really the Truth, why do its representatives not feel compelled to tell it?
And I'm sure they'll be that proud of their performance that we'll see write ups in the watchtower and demos recreating it at the assemblies.
When hell freezes over.
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This week's wt paragraph 13 and 15 free will
by poopie indoes forcing people to shun other people violate free will?
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Landy
Does forcing people to shun other people violate free will?
Nobody is 'forced' to do anything. We each have our own free will, whether we choose to use it or not.
If we didn't all of us on here would still be going.
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What's your degree of anti-JWness?
by Landy inso, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
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Landy
Putting aside your ad hominem bollocks, I do accept your point. No. 1 on the scale should have been described as a nut job, Steven Lett loving JW.
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What's your degree of anti-JWness?
by Landy inso, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
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Landy
Interesting topic. I would first ask what exactly do you mean by anti-JW.
How much a poster dislikes the WTBS I suppose. For whatever reason.
As others have posted, it's not that in black and white. I have no respect for the WT organization, and other than this forum I don't think much about it (unless I have to talk about my upbringing). I'm not in a campaign against them, and I'm not interested in convincing anyone about what I believe, nor my stand or opinions about them. Also, since I am in the USA, I protect their right to exist as a religious organization, as that's how I protect mine.
That's pretty much me. I haven't been to a meeting for over twenty years and I haven't really given them a thought until I got sucked in to this place. Now I stay just to piss off data dog ;)
More importantly, to me being anti-JW means keeping them in my life, which is the opposite of what I prefer to do. In order for me to be "anti" them, I need to keep myself updated with whatever nonsense they come up with. My path is about minimizing their influence and relevance in my life, so remaining up to date and keeping up with their crap creates a negative impact in my well being.
Again that's what I feel. Coming here does me no favours tbh. It's almost as if I'm an ex-jw again :(
We are different people, with different experiences, even as JWs we had different experiences. They treat women differently, they treat the LGBTQ differently, they treat children differently, so the degree of influence is different. Hence, your scale may not make sense as you presented it. Though I think this is an interesting topic.
I think that's what I'm trying to get at. The most common emotion on here seems to be bitterness. If some one is DF'd or similar then they are going to be a lot more anti-jw than I am as someone who simply stopped going. I agree that it's perhaps not a simple as a 1-10 scale but a person's feelings toward the JWs can be a cummulative amalgam of all their experiences and feelings.
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What's your degree of anti-JWness?
by Landy inso, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
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Landy
Landy has a tendency for pseudo-intellectual dick measuring, just like Richard Oliver and Fisherman.
<waves>
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What's your degree of anti-JWness?
by Landy inso, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
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Landy
Fair enough, but I will ask the question again, Are you really finding fault because I said sexually molested children are innocent. Isn't that a bit nit-picky?
Yes and no. It's nit picky from a grammatical point of view in that it's redundant, but what gets under my skin is it fits in with the cheap methods used by more than a couple of posters (not you that I've noticed) to emotionalise child abuse to order to score points. It just stood out to me in the context you used it in.
What is really unnecessary is your fault finding over small details. I suppose it's all to draw attention away from the larger problem of JWs sexually molesting children and covering it up for the sake of public image.
Yeah, that's it.
In the OP you said you were about a 6 on your scale of being anti-Witness, but you come across more like a solid 1.
Yeah, right. I'd go down a fucking storm in a KH.
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What do you think the Australian Government will do?
by Richard Oliver ini am not wanting to start a fight.
i just want to hear what people think.
honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.
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Landy
Landy , they have had new guidance since 2017 but the ARC are right to highlight that only the elders are privy to the fact that bringing victims face face with perps will no longer happen.
Thanks Ruby. I'm pretty out of touch now so not really up on their current procedures. That said. Afaik, their safeguarding policies aren't a matter of public record - which is the problem....
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What's your degree of anti-JWness?
by Landy inso, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
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Landy
Really? You're finding fault because I said that children who are sexually abused within the Organization of JWs, then not believed because of the JW misapplication of the 2-witness rule, are innocent?
I objected to your description - not the argument. You used the term to elicit a particular response. Whether unconsciously or not. It was unnecessary.
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What's your degree of anti-JWness?
by Landy inso, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.
i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.
if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.
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Landy
...innocent children....
When you start using terms like that you lose me. Can a child who's been the victim of abuse be anything other than innocent?
You've used the term for effect to bolster your argument. It's unnecessary.
On the whole though I agree, the witnesses have played down child abuse (and other crimes) so as not to 'damage the name of jehovah'. I don't think they're alone in that though. Lots of religions and organisations have been guilty of the same thing. That however, is no excuse whatsoever and that's why I'm not as apathetic to them as I would have been had they had proper safeguarding policies in place.
I do believe they are slowly changing though.