@JM - is it really Catholic doctrine that God 'injected' humans with consiousess 6k years ago?
if so that's a new one to me.
Posts by Landy
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405Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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When GB Members Travel...Do They Stay With Members?
by Cold Steel inor do they stay at hotels?
do most jws know who's on the governing body?
if one just showed up at church would he be immediately recognized?
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Landy
I'm pretty sure they won't turn right when they walk on to a plane either.
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Taking the Bible Lessons And Going To a KH For First Time
by Cold Steel ini've taken the bible lessons but have never attended a kingdom hall.
i was curious as to what point they begin to tighten the screws of control?
let's say you're a baptist.
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Landy
You sound like a good honest Mormon Cold Steel,
You should stick with it.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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Landy
Landy I think you are right. I wonder how more rational christians would handle it. Evolution has been accepted by millions of christians but very few Muslims. Would the realisation that life can arise spontaneously from geochemistry be any more of a challenge?
I honestly believe it would make little or no difference. People who believe in a god do it based on a faith. They have to as there's no evidence available to support their beliefs. As their faith mechanism has no basis in rationality to start with they would simply shrug their shoulders and carry on believing what they've always believed. The opium of the people does a great job of dulling the senses.
Yes there will be exceptions and some would question their faith, but it wouldn't be on grand scale.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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Landy
If we could demonstrate that life could begin on its own, the upshot is, nothing would change.
JWs and other fundamentalists would just ignore it and carry on, in much the same way they did as evolution became generally accepted.
They would probably react by releasing a book entitled 'Life. How did it get here? By Abiogenesis or Creation?' It would be filled with quotes from dodgy out of date scientists, misquotes from respected scientists and that many logical falllicies it would make your head swim.
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Directed panspermia - a plausible theory of intelligent design?
by EdenOne ini have just read an interesting article by astrobiologist jacob haq-misra.. in this article he describes a process called "directed panspermia" as a plausible way that one form of intelligent design - one not related with religious driven agendas involving theism - could be involved in the process by which life developed on earth and possibly in other planets as well.. sounds like a speculation that's worth entertaining.
your thoughts?.
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Landy
Sounds like a speculation that's worth entertaining. Your thoughts?
The bottom line is that the speculation is worthless.
In scientific terms and hypothesis that is not observable in not worth the paper it's written on and can be discarded.
If you can find a way to observe or demonstrate it then that becomes a different matter.
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Directed panspermia - a plausible theory of intelligent design?
by EdenOne ini have just read an interesting article by astrobiologist jacob haq-misra.. in this article he describes a process called "directed panspermia" as a plausible way that one form of intelligent design - one not related with religious driven agendas involving theism - could be involved in the process by which life developed on earth and possibly in other planets as well.. sounds like a speculation that's worth entertaining.
your thoughts?.
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Landy
Sure, it's only speculative thinking. But a lot of great scientific discoveries started out as speculations too. It could be a viable path of future investigation.
And how would you propose to investigate it?
There's a difference between reasoned hypothesis leading to a theory and blind guesswork based on what you want to be true.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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Landy
Only if you think God cannot use natural means. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Proving that life can come into existence through natural means does not prove God doesn't exist. It simply proves that a god is not necessary.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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Landy
Viv, my rule says: Life begets life. Life brings forth life. That's the evidence before me. Please, would you be so kind as to let me know of any example, where that is not the case. Thank you in anticipation.
God? In your mind anyway.
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meeting with elders about WT involvement in UN
by LevelThePlayingField ini still go to the meetings because of my in wife and it came about that the elders knew of my pissed off attitude about the society getting involved in the un.
so the elders said they could help me get over that and wanted to meet with me.
now just to let you know, i have only told my wife and her mom so far about it, that's it.
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Landy
Is there nothing you can do to fade away? Have to work on meeting nights, get a hobby that gives you an excuse not to go.? Something. Anything?