Posts by Landy

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

Landy

Richard - I have stated this in the past (and I'm probably going to get shot for saying this). I have sometimes wondered if the child abuse issue is been used as a weapon to get back at Wt for all the hurt it has caused them as exjw.

You will get shot but anybody who can string two thoughts together will see you are right. The way RO has been treated on this thread for simply presenting useful info is pretty shocking and shows that one or two of you haven't quite thrown off the JW judgemental mindset as much as you think you have.

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Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!

by Skepsis in

jw
friends

a month ago i decided to register in this board.

i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.

i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.

Landy

I wouldn't even say there's a need to specifically step down from being an MS. Just keep refusing responsibilties/talks due to 'other commitments', start missing meetings and they'll remove you.

There's a lot of talk on here about people being DF'd for not going anymore but it only happens when they open their mouths. It really is a case of loose lips sink ships.

I stopped going over twenty years ago now; I didn't get DF'd, my wife didn't get DF'd, about 80% of those I grew up with have stopped going now and I can only think of one that got DF'd.

Saying that, I don't know of anyone that got DF'd for apostasy 20 years ago; now I would imagine it's probably the most common cause.

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Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!

by Skepsis in

jw
friends

a month ago i decided to register in this board.

i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.

i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.

Landy

Just keep doing less and less and keep your mouth shut. Make excuses, be non specific, prevaricate.

they'll soon tire of it.

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Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?

by Skepsis in

jw
friends

hi folks,.

i have a difficult dilemma.

since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.

Landy

Just don't do it - make lots of excuses when asked. they'll soon get sick of asking.

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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

by breakfast of champions in

my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

pretty telling.. .

Landy

Lol - you crack on then

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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

by breakfast of champions in

my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

pretty telling.. .

Landy

You seem to be the one that's going on like a broken record across 20 different threads..........

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JW guilty on all accounts & bond revoked for sexual abuse in FL

by LevelThePlayingField in

this news article has a news video inside it straight from the station.

finally the judge doesn't hold back.. http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/jehovah-witness-teachers-aide-sex-scandal-guilty-on-all-counts.

Landy

"In the previous four years (starting in 2010), twenty-five Jehovah’s Witness ministers were convicted of child molestation charges in the UK." Worldwide there are an average of 8,132,358 publishers. In the UK there are an average of 134,517 publishers - ie 60 times the number. 60 x 25 convictions = 1,500 divide by four years = 375-a-year-worldwide - ie effectively just over ONE conviction-per-day.

That's an ambitious extrapolation there. It would be interesting to compare that against the mean for the general population

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

Landy

BTW, just because it isn't a court, doesn't mean it has no authority.)

And what authority does the ARC have? AFAIK (and I could be wrong) it can only make recommendations which organisations and governments are free to ignore.

It can compel people to attend as witnesses under fear of a fine but that's where their power pretty much stops.

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BETH-SHAN: Images of Rutherford's Bomb Shelter

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

for any who are interested, rutherford's infamous bomb shelter at "beth-shan" has been officially documented by the city of san diego historical resource board.

they have photographs, plans, and an interview with the couple who built their home on the land (5330 le barron rd).

a pdf of the full report can be found here:.

Landy

Bomb shelter? As Jehovah's servant on earth he should not have needed one me thinks.

it does show a certain lack of confidence :)

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

Landy

heir name is at stake along with all the counter lawsuits that the Watchtower is now you can be sure hitting them with.

What are you talking about? Why would the WTS be hitting the law firm with lawsuits for putting an advert in the paper?

If the advert brings forward any likely cases then the company msy consider putting a case together to sue the WTS, either as individual cases or a class action.