scripture teaches that one should destroy one's enemies, and take an eye for an eye: "show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
" (deuteronomy 19:20-22).
however, according to the author of the book of matthew, not only did jesus not believe in fighting back against one's enemies, he even wanted his disciples to do good (!
Foolish man. Without knowing the law of the OT (part of the all scripture inspired and beneficial for teaching), Paul could not teach what law in fact they were released from, could he? No he couldn't.
Gal 3:24-25
24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
objective observers know that the bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies.
for example, genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.
matthew's genealogy is completely different than luke's.
Evening and morning are depicting Satan covering over truth with the darkness of evil and lies and God ploughing through the darkness of lies with light of good and truth.
Totally supportable:
1 Thess 5:5
5 You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.
>>There are an almost uncountable number of contradictions in the Bible, and they cannot be argued away<<
No contradictions. Just people with no understanding. Like yourself.
objective observers know that the bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies.
for example, genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.
matthew's genealogy is completely different than luke's.
>>*(Spiritual darkness=Lies and ignorance)*<<
Spiritual darkness = Evil and evil deeds.
John 3:19, This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light BECAUSE their deeds were evil.
Luke 11:33-35
34 Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35 See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.
Job 24:17
17 For all of them, deep darkness is their morning;
they make friends with the terrors of darkness
Matt 6:23
23 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Luke 22:52-53
52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests, the officers of the temple guard, and the elders, who had come for him, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come with swords and clubs? 53 Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour-when darkness [Evil] reigns."
2 Cor 6:14-16
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness [good] and wickedness [evil] have in common? Or what fellowship can light [good] have with darkness [evil]? 15 What harmony is there between Christ [good] and Belial [evil]? What does a believer [good] have in common with an unbeliever [evil]? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God [good] and idols [evil]?
1 John 2:11
11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.
Are you blind?
objective observers know that the bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies.
for example, genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.
matthew's genealogy is completely different than luke's.
>>Perhaps the sun only came to light,through the canopy, on the fourth day<<
Perhaps not, because they were not even MADE yet. They were MADE on day four:
Gen 1:16
16 God MADE two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also MADE the stars.
They were NOT made yet in Genesis 1:3. The LIGHT is spiritual light fighting against the spiritual darkness. That was the SEPERATING that was done on "day" one. Good and Evil. Christ and Satan.
Spiritual light.
objective observers know that the bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies.
for example, genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.
matthew's genealogy is completely different than luke's.
Every single one has an very simple answer.
I'll do only one:
>>For example, Genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.<<
There are two kinds of light. Physical and spiritual. Since we know the physcial luminaries were not created until later, then this "light" must be spiritual light.
And that it is. That light was the existence of Christ being revealed to the spiritual realm:
John 12:45, "I (Christ) have come into the world as a light (Gen 1:3),
Well, friend, when in the world did ALL "light" come into "the world?" In the beginning:
Matt 13:35
"I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."
Gen 1:3
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
The spiritual light of Christ being exposed for the first time, as that very light of Christ was hidden within God as a sacred secret.
Col 1:25-27
25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the Word of God in its fullness- 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints.
1 John 1:5-6, "This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light;
John 3:19, This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness (Gen 1:2, darkness = Satan) instead of light (Gen 1:3, Light = Christ) because their deeds were evil.
John 12:35, "Put your trust in the light while you have it, so that you may become sons of light.
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>>Again, all the Divine fullness of God was given [put into] Jesus.
However, the fact remains that they are still two different
persons, not the same, not the same by simultaneous location.
God is here; Jesus is there. They are not one person.
Think dear Christian!<<
There are TWO. Not one and the Same...think dear man.
Duotheism.
As it is man and woman in flesh, it is Father and Son in God. TWO DIFFERENET PERSONS. You are NOT addressing me with these statements, you are addressing trinitarianism.
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>>From the Father himself, Jesus is called Mighty God <<
Isa 9:6
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Two Fathers. Two Mightys.
They make the Almighty YHWH God.
Jesus is a true God, just like his Father. As flesh begets flesh, so spirit begets spirit. Offspring of human is human, human begets human. Offspring of fish is fish, fish begets fish. Off spring of bird is bird, bird begets bird. Offspring of God is God, God begets God.
Christ is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of God.
There is no other meaning for beget/begotten.
John 3:6
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
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>>>[[Father and Son are the complimentary parts of the one God.]]
Are you saying then, that Jesus is a "part" of Yahweh, and that the Father is another "part" of Yahweh? That is, that there two halves of Yahweh that go up to make a whole of Yahweh, as in 1/2 + 1/2 = 1?<<<
No. Each is "whole" in themselves, as the male and female are whole in themselves. The simple equation would be 1+1=1.
>>[[Christ made the assertion HIMSELF. "I and the Father are One."]]
Jesus says nothing at all about God Almighty as two (persons? beings? whatever) in One God.<<
Jesus made that very assertion above in his very simple statement of I and the Father are one. He made that very assertion of ONENESS after his explaination that his sheep are in the hands of BOTH he and the Father.
>>>>Since "hen" (one) here is neuter, Jesus could not have been describing one God (Theos, which is masculine). If Jesus has been speaking of one *Theos*, he would have used the word *heis* instead of *hen*.
http://reslight.addr.com/john10-30.html<<<;
I will not argue over simple words and there simple meanings. Christ and the Father are one intellectually and spiritually, as the male aand female are one intellectually and physically. I can very well comprehend what is simply put by Christ and the Apostles.
>>>I was simply asking the question as I am not sure of how you view the being of God. However, in saying the above, are you saying that all the church become part(s) of God Almighty, since they become one with Jesus, whom you claim to be a part of God Almighty?<<<
That is not what I'M saying, that is what Christ himself taught in very simple easy to understand language.
John 17:20-23
20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
One can either take the above text face value for what it simply says and teaches, or the high minded highly "educated Christian" will have to read into it elaborated things that are not there in Christ's own simple wprds.
>>The One who appointed Jesus is most definitely higher than Jesus. - 1 Corinthians 15:27.<<
I never said the Father was EVER less than Christ. I profess the reward given to Christ for displaying FULL subjection from the heights of being part of God (the one in subjection),to the very darkness of death (no consciousness), was the Father giving Christ HEADSHIP EQUALITY with the Father, TILL all things are reconciled. Then Christ resubmits himself WILLINGLY under the Father.
>>This sounds as though that by his use of the expression all in all, you believe that Paul was in some way saying that Jesus is God Almighty.<<
I believe in unity, they make up one Almighty God.
>>Actually it speaks of all creation as being in harmony with God.<<
All creation is NOT mentioned. "Everythng" mentioed is regarding other dominion, authority and power. They are done away with. What is left (the chosen) are brought INTO God. So that God is all in all.
>>This does not mean that all creation is or becomes God Almighty, nor does it mean that Jesus is or becomes God Almighty.<<
Why not? Because you say so? I have had enough of that train of logic in my life time. Those chosen WILL become one with God, in FULL unity as Christ literally and plainly taught in the simplest of language.. If you deny it, you obviously aren't of it.
>>Indeed the context shows that the Father is God Almighty who becomes all in all.<<
No it does not.
1 Cor 15:27-28
who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
If the Father has put EVERYTHING under Christ, then where is Christ in relation to the Father?? Like, BEFORE this FACT "then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."
Where was Christ BEFORE he went into subjection???
Beside him. At the Father's right hand. Equal. He was NOT greater than the Father as Paul simply taught:
1 Cor 15:27
Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself,
He was given ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER by the Father's permission. ALL means ALL. By the Father's permission. Christ's reward. Sit at my right hand. When all is said and done, Christ resubmits in God, as we submit IN THEM.
>>The idea that Jesus is God Almighty in 1 Corinthians 15:28 is but supposition which in effect twists the scripture to make it appear to conform to the idea that Jesus is God Almighty (or a "part" of God Almighty). I have no reason to accept this view except to please the assumption that Jesus is or is a "part" of God Almighty.<<
The only twist of scripture comes from those who deny the full diety of Christ, and those that add a third seperate diety called the Holy Spirit.
>>Whenever the Scriptures use the word “God” in the sense of Supreme Deity, they refer to the Father alone.<<
Which is why all you intellectual types have to try and undermine with smoke screens and mirrors the very simplicity of a simple truth taught in John 1:1, that Christ is in fact diety. The Word is God. The Word is Christ. Christ is the Light of the world. God is light.
>>Thus in prayer Jesus calls his Father “the only true God,” excluding himself (John 17:3)<<
Which he would because when Christ was praying to his Father, Christ was 100% man, surrending his diety in heaven to humble himself even down into death. Christ was NOT God when he was a man. He was 100% man. So the prayer of Christ is true, as a man praying to God.
>>The Bible, in fact, refers to the Heavenly Father as Jesus’ God (John 20:17).<<
In fact I have no problem with the Father being Jesus "God" at the time he was a man for that very reason. CHRIST WAS A MAN THEN.
>>The Apostle Paul, contrasting the Christian position with the heathen worship of many gods, states that “to us there is but one God, the Father,” although he attributes to Jesus a lesser position of Lordship (1 Corinthians 8:6). For despite his present high position of exaltation and divine favor, our Lord Jesus is inferior to the Father and eternally subject to him, as the Apostle expressly states:<<
There is NO inferiority in Christ in ANY WAY. You show me ANYWHERE in the Bible, that Christ is inferior. That is a false teaching. Those that claim Christ to be inferior in any way to the Father DO NOT HONOR CHRIST AS THEY DO THE FATHER WHICH CHRIST PLAINLY STATED we to do IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE.
You who call Christ inferior and do not show him the VERY SAME HONOR as the Father shall have to answer for that DISHONOR you have blatantly exhibited. Christ is God in subjection to God the Father. And there is only one God, the Father. As there is only one God in subjection to the Father, Christ.
>>But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. — 1 Corinthians 11:3.<<
The head of woman is man. Woman is man. The head of Christ is God. Christ is God. Woman can be considered the "body" of man. In image and likeness, Christ can be considered the "body" of God. If there is a head, there is a body. The body is of the same stuff as the head. The Father sacrificed HIS "BODY" FOR US. That "body" became OUR body.
>>Bible Students do not deny, but rejoice to affirm, that Jesus Christ is a divine being, worthy of our worship and adoration.<<
Only God is worshipped. Are you saying to worship something other than God if you do not believe Christ to be a part of God? You just undermined yourself.
>>The appellation “God” may be properly ascribed to him.<<
Christ is God as woman is man. Simple to those who wish to see.
>>But even while the Scriptures refer to Jesus as a “God,” they do so in contexts showing his distinct inferiority to the Father.<<
Again, you place yourself in the deepest pit of dishonoring the Son. There is NO INFERIORITY in Christ. Christ is the God in SUBJECTION.
SUBJECTION....NOT....INFERIORITY.
>>And notice that it is not simply Jesus as a man, but Jesus as a “God” who is thus shown to be subordinate. — Hebrews 1:1-9<<
There is the truth my friend. The subordinate God to the HEAD God. Christ is of the same GOD STUFF as the Father. They exist in the EXACT SAME NATURE. You do well to worship and honor him as such, THE SAME AS YOU WORSHIP AND HONOR the Father. Honor THEM as you would honor you OWN PARENTS. TWO.
In physics, when two seperate beams of light converge on each other, they are not additive, they combine.
So, with light, 1+1 does NOT equal 2, rather:
1+1=1
God is light.
before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.
thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.
>>>[[YHWH is two. Man is two (male and female)]]
The above does not say exactly how Yahweh is supposed to be two. If one uses the illustration of man as male and female, are we to assume that God is two beings, one male being and one female being,<<
"Assuming" always gets one into trouble. Christ clearly defined no genders in heaven, so SEX, male and female are NOT what's the image and likeness of God, but rather simply the NUMBER TWO, and the complementary nature of the two beings in question, whether of the flesh or of the Spirit.
Two rooms in the tabernacle and temple. Two rooms make one tabernacle. Two rooms make one temple. Both structures depicted a shadow of my God above. Most Holy = Father Holy = Son.
God is described as a complementary two very often in the Bible. Alpha and Omega, First and Last, Beginning and End etc. All those phrases depict dual complementary images, just as the male and female are in the IMAGE AND LIKENESS of God, the complementary parts of the one flesh. Father and Son are the complimentary parts of the one God.
>>as are human beings, and that these two beings are joined as one in some kind of marriage, as man and wife?<<
Why DOES THAT offend you? Those chosen to be the bride of Christ (I'm MALE by the way) are to be joined in marriage to the Christ. MY GENDER IS DROPPED my friend when I become one with my Savior IN MARRIAGE. A female's gender is dropped when the union of the spirit happens TO HER. And ALL who are chosen join to Christ in the spirit AS A MARRIAGE, so Christ is joined to the Father IN A SPIRITUAL MARRIAGE ARRAGEMENT.
The Apostle Paul made this VERY UNION plain to those with eyes to see:
Eph 5:31-32
31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church.
>>That the human race consists of two different kinds of beings does not mean that God also is two different beings (in one being?).<<
Christ made the assertion HIMSELF. "I and the Father are One."
>>At any rate, the Bible says that God is one, not two.
Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one.<<
YHWH IS UNITED.
That means UNITED not a numerical singularity. The Hebrew word means both the number AND it also means UNIFICATION. YHWH is one, as man is one, even though there are two that exist in each NATURE.
God is a nature of existence NOT a being of singularity.
>>>This one Yahweh speaks to the Lord (Jesus) whom he has appointed, the one he anointed (christened):
>>Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet."<<<
When one in power has another sit at their right hand, that denotes something very obvious. Christ, sitting at the right hand of One with power, is NOT sitting above that One (higher in power), NOR sitting below that One(lower in power) but sitting BESIDE THAT ONE(EQUAL IN POWER.) You could say Christ was given HEADSHIP for a day.
Eph 1:20-22
20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be HEAD over everything for the church,
While Christ is HEAD over everything, guess who's sitting BESIDE HIM?? DADDY. Two heads are better than one.
That was the reward given to the submissive half of God. Then, once all creation has been reconciled, the one who's reward was to SIT BESIDE the Father in God (not greater than, not less than), temporarily as HEAD, he WILLINGLY goes back underneath as the God in subjection to the God Head, the Father, so GOD CAN BE ALL IN ALL. (The caps are literal)
Father = Head (God)
Christ = Subjection (God)
Male = Head (Man)
Female = Subjection (Man)
Rom 1:19-20
19 since what may be known about God is PLAIN to them, because God has made it PLAIN to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
TWO. The DIVINE NATURE IS TWO. Just like everything else in creation. You are now without excuse. You can't tell God you didn't know! Because I just told ya so. :-)
before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.
thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.
>>pomegranate:
Are you a professed polytheist?<<
To be more accurate, duotheist.
Man is duohomistic, God is duotheistic.
How can one God be two? The same as His image and likeness, man is two.
The two become one flesh.
I and the Father are one.
As in heaven so on earth.
