Posts by pomegranate

Weird stuff! Sometimes I wonder how we can tell if something we recall is real or imagined. Since everything we experience is recorded in our mind by some process of chemical, electrical or whatever, how can we know if it was real or not?

OK...I admit it, I am weird.

Regarding the word "Real" meaning of divine origin? Well, only time will tell if what was experienced (dreams and visions) were "real" in that regard. Even if such experiences are a manifestation or malfunction of an individual's brain chemistry or electrical wiring, it is still experienced by the individual, so to them it is all to real, though not experienced by others.

Will it happen or can it happen to MANY at same time? THAT would be the kicker wouldn't it? Then that would surely solidify it's "reality" from a much larger source.

Are these experiences of the forum members here just chemical, electrical problems in the brain or something else?

Time will be the determining factor. Until then, I'll be thought of as wacko. But that's OK. I am very comfortable with that fact.

It's strange to realize our whole life is just some chemical, electrical impulses in our head!!

Maybe we're all just complex marionettes with fluidic and tissue strings that can be pushed and pulled by the Master Gepetto who made us. And maybe some of us are Pinochio's too. Heh. I need some coffee...

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Morning pondering

by ballistic in

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does anyone ever get a strange warm prickly sensation travelling all over their skin when thinking about a dream or something which happened?

i just did while thinking about my dream i had about heaven last night.. .

weird that.

pomegranate

This is somewhat long. I have never told anyone before.

I had a vision a while back while I was driving my auto...I was very much awake and fully aware of me and my surroundings. But all of a sudden, my mind started to race. It began being flooded with thoughts so fast, I could not keep hold of one before the next one barged in and forced the previous one out. Then I began seeing...

The windshield became almost like a translucent transparent old movie screen that resembled a vintage movie ambiance with flickering light and lines and dots and fuzzy little hairs shooting by. All the while I still had full control of my vehicle while this event continued on. It was like my mind was spilt in two. One half of my mind driving, the other mind tossed into this weird surreality where the visuals began to become very focused and concise.

The vintage movie effect faded and a world of color began, all the while I am driving my car in full control.

I was rushed hurriedly into what seemed like going through creation, FAST, FAST FORWARD...like traveling at the speed of light, strange scientific formulas written on chalkboard, interconnections of physical things I had never seen before, lines of light coming together and forming solids, what seemed like a house of gears so huge and vast, but with the precision and intricacy of a delicate antique watch...the vision seemed to sync up with the music I had playing. Then I was taken down.

The voice said, "pomegranate, see what I have made." Then I was taken into the microcosm. It was like I was absorbed throught the lens of the most powerful electron microscope. I was made to be small. Very very small. I didn't know what I was looking at, it was all like complex engineering drawings made from tangible physical stuff. All the while, I was still driving my car.

Things from the real world began to spin in. An old black and white photo of Albert Einstein spun in and flashed on and off, with the complex engineered drawings of the tangible stuff as the backdrop. Then the typical man made symbolic resemblance of the atom came onto the visual stage spinning and moving. The electrons whizzing faster then I ever could comprehend. Then I got scared. I knew what was going to happen. With horrific intensity, I was catapulted at horrific speed towards the Symbolic Atom. Oh my Living God!

My facial features felt is if I was going down the fastest first hill roller coaster, heading faster and faster than full speed towards this molecule. What I thought would be a collision with this thing ended up being an entry into it. I saw the middle. Clasped tightly together. Two things clinging together with a force I never knew existed. I heard the voice, "strong neuclear force is Love" Proton and neutron is Love? What do you MEAN!!! I cried in my head. All the while, I'm STILL behind the wheel of my car driving.

Then this place I was in shook VIOLENTLY. I heard "pomegranate, I HATE DIVORCE" Then the two clinging together seemed to be being forced apart. Split. A severing of sorts. I felt in my being a sense of something being very wrong here. In my mind came the vision of a young mothers child being ripped from her clinging arms and being born for the first time. The pain was never felt before. PAIN! It is hurting these two who were clinging to be forced apart. I heard a loud noise, but the music was still playing in the ambiance. I am still driving my car.

They came apart. They have come apart. I said this is not good. This is bad. This is very bad. They pulled further and further apart from each other. One to the left one to the right. Further and further and further apart they went. To the furthest point of my peripheral vision. Then it happened. The one on the left dissappered. Gone. I said OH NO!! Then the one on the left turned the most vivid color of crimson red I had ever seen. And it grew in size. Immensely so. It seemed to be generating heat like the scorching of the sun. RADIANCE was blinding me. I couldn't see everything very well. Just when I thought all things were going to blow up from this blinding climax, the one on the left pops back in again. And oh my God. They start racing towards each other. I knew what was happening. Strong nuclear force. I am in the presence of two that were FORCED apart, that NEVER should have been divided. LOVE. I am at ground zero. There is no where for me to run. I am sitting spell bound and awe struck as these two race at each other on a collision course at light speed. I think I am in big trouble. Fission and fusion. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I can't be in the presence of this. I am going to die. Please. I can't witness this. I can't hide. Where can I hide?? Hide me Hide me please!! They are going to SMASH INTO EACH OTHER!!

BAMMMMMMM!!

I SCREAMED OUT LOUD!!

My feet coiled up off the pedals of my car like the fetal position for a moment. Then I put them back down. I was covered in it whatever it was. Tingles. Chills. My hair standing on end.

The voice, "We are coming back together pomegranate."

I began to cry my eyes out like a baby.

All the while, I was driving my car.

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"Witnesses Now For Jesus" convention ...

by borgfree in

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pomegranate

NeonMadman

Your handle fits you. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Anyways...

People in the Corinthian congregation were pulling the same stunt, claiming already "saved" before it happened. Paul
rebuked them:

1 Cor 4:7-14
7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And IF you did receive it [Paul was DOUBTING some of them receiving the Holy Spirit], why do you boast as though you did not?

Now there's an interesting point. Those that boast about what they MAY have been given, mean that DID NOT RECEIVE it because they were boasting about it. Hmmm.

8 Already you have all you want! [Being saved already with eternal life?] Already you have become rich! [Being saved already with eternal life?] You have become kings-and that without us! [By being saved already with eternal life BEFORE THE APOSTLES??] How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you! [Paul wasn't even saved yet, how is they were claiming such a wrongful boast?]It sounds to me like some in the Corintian congregation were claiming being saved before it actually happened. Don't you? Paul was saying, "Corinthian brothers, How is that true, that you claim to have it all before us? We the Apostles, are all still dirt bags countering bad with good, but you have it ALL already? You are kings already? Saved already? NOT!!!"

9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession [Still dirtbags, not saved yet], like men condemned to die in the arena. [Dirtbags, not saved yet] We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe [Dirtbags, not saved yet], to angels as well as to men. [Dirtbags to everyone, men and angels, not saved yet] 10 We are fools for Christ, [Dirtbags, not saved yet] but you are so wise in Christ! [WE ARE SAVED BECAUSE WE SAY SO] We are weak, [Dirtbags, not saved yet] but you are strong! [WE ARE SAVED BECAUSE WE SAY SO] You are honored [WE ARE SAVED BECAUSE WE SAY SO], we are dishonored! [Dirtbags, not saved yet] 11 To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty [dirtbag], we are in rags [dirtbag], we are brutally treated [dirtbag], we are homeless [dirtbag]. 12 We work hard with our own hands. [dirtbag dirtbag] When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13 when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, [dirtbag] the refuse of the world [dirtbag].
14 I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you [YOU ARE NOT SAVED YET] , as my dear children.

You've been kindly warned NM.

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You claim that the Bible is only for the "chosen ones."
It is not my claim, it is obvious to me by much of how the writers and the audience of intent was identified in the Book itself:

2 John
1:1 The elder (a chosen one), To the chosenlady and her children (other chosen ones),

2 John 13
The children of your chosen sister send their greetings.

Eph 1:11
In him we were also chosen, (one chosen talking to other chosen)

Acts 1:2-3
the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. (more chosen)

Acts 1:24-25
24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." (God choosing a chosen again)

Acts 9:15-16
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name." (The choosey God strikes again.)

Acts 22:14
14 "Then he said: 'The God of our fathers has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. (Choosey choosey)

Rom 8:32-34
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? (Will you deny the choosey God?) It is God who justifies.

Rom 11:5-6
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. (Choose clues, a little comic relief there.)

Rom 16:12-13
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, (it's all for the chosen)

Col 1:27
27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (More chosen people by God)

Col 3:12
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. (chosen people, chosen by God. The book is for them.)

1 Thess 1:4
4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, (one chosen dude to a bunch o' other chosen dudes)

James 2:5-6
Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? (Chosen people, chosen by God. All in the book of the chosen)

1 Peter 1:1-2
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:

(The above has it TWICE. The elected and the chosen, already foreknown by God. Now that's WAY KEEEWWWWWLLL, huh?)

1 Peter 1:19-20
Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, (Sheesh. Wouldn't ya know it, even Christ was a chosen.)

1 Peter 2:4
4 As you come to him, the living Stone-rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him- (Christ again stated as chosen.)

1 Peter 2:9
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, t

1 Peter 5:13
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

I may be wrong, but it sure seems like a book written by the chosen for the chosen. Can you show me from the book any other possible explaination? I'm all ears...er...I mean eyes!

Good day.

Edited by - pomegranate on 30 August 2002 14:26:55

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"The Serpent of Eden" or "Paradi...

by Atreyu in

"the serpent of eden" or "paradise lost"

some have discussed the meaning of the account in genesis 3, about the serpent.

a pivot question has been: who lied, the serpent or jehovah?.

pomegranate

Hebrew words have correct spelling just like any other language. Though the Jews in tradition like to play mystical games
with their laguage, this typo is quite extraordinary.

I found a mispelled word. Weird huh?

Of course since I believe the Bible to be all God's, the typo has come to reinforce some of my beliefs.
I believe it is a symbol to help indentify what the nature of God is.

Is God a ONE - monotheistic as the Jews profess. Father.

Is God a THREE - trinitarian, like mainstream Christianity professes. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Is God a TWO - duo-theistic, like I believe. Father and Son.

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Halloween Costumes

by Jim_TX in

i was at coffee yesterday, and friends i was with started talking about halloween, and costumes.. after a bit, i got this 'revelation'!!

i asked them.... "why not dress up as santa claus on halloween?".

well, you'd have thunk i said that satan wuz jesus!

pomegranate

OTFLMAO..too funny!!

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Oh Wow...I may have found a church to go to.....

by Lin in

i must admit... to say that i may have found a church, actually .

feels somewhat strange to say.

with all the recent turmoil and pain .

pomegranate

A tree can't escape it's root.

Russell was a rotten root. The pyramid stuff is a sure fire sign of putrification. A rotten root produces a rotten tree which produces the rotten fruitage that we all now see.

I don't thing comparing Russell to Christ is appropriate.

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Oh Wow...I may have found a church to go to.....

by Lin in

i must admit... to say that i may have found a church, actually .

feels somewhat strange to say.

with all the recent turmoil and pain .

pomegranate

Well, if this fails you, you might consider this:

1 Cor 3:16
16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?

1 Cor 6:19
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?

Eph 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

For me, I am my own temple (church)

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"Witnesses Now For Jesus" convention ...

by borgfree in

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pomegranate

Jude 2
Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

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"Witnesses Now For Jesus" convention ...

by borgfree in

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pomegranate

I think you misused the scripture. As you can see below, the writer was talking about faith producing deeds or works, he was saying that even the demons believed there is a God, but, that is a totally different thing than believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and having faith in Him to grant you eternal life. The demons can have no such hope.

I believe it was used quite correctly. The point this scripture is showing (by one seemingly spurious and out of context statement) is that BELIEF is not a determining FACTOR for a man's salvation, it is the FAITH/WORKS symbiosis. Even the demons BELIEVE and it isn't a demon believing that will save them. Believing is not a determing factor, because the demons do believe.

What makes TRUE BELIEF different is a belief by way of FAITH. WHY?

Because TRUE FAITH is given out from God so man can TRULY BELIEVE as to God and Jesus Christ.

I believe it goes like this:

God first gives out faith to a man which has a symbionic relationship with good works (of mercy)
Which causes a man to truly believe.

It's all about faith and faith is all God given.