I'm not going to give you any welcomes or congratulations, to me that is a way too easy and light-hearted attitude.
Edited by - pomegranate on 4 October 2002 7:22:53
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I'm being DF'ed...
by email inthis is my first post on this board even though i have been lurking for a looong time.... .
i have just being told that the judicial committee has decided to disfellowship me and that i have a week to appeal if i decide to do so.
the reason: "apostasy".
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JW Molesters In The News
by silentlambs inagent says longo confessed
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/103364615383280.xml
clegg said he asked longo why.
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Where's my barf bag?
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I was actually THINKING...
by joannadandy inok--very unlike me to be reflective or meditate...especially on things of a biblical nature, but today i was home sick and left with thoughts and a lot of cold medicine, so here i am with my bible based thought of the day...what do you people make of this: .
"and the lord god said unto the serpent because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" .
does that mean snakes had legs at some point?
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pom thanks for treating me like an idiot, I know what a metaphor is...I'm an english major for crissakes! I fail to see how you know that the tree is a real event, and not a metaphor and that the snake IS a metaphor.
First, I'm not here to treat you like an idiot. You asked, I answered.
Well, snakes don't talk, nor do they eat dust. That makes it OBVIOUS METAPHOR, right? Now, what around the TREE event isn't for real, normal or familiar? Nothing. It all is as familiar in the normal human perception now as it was then. I see no strict metaphor.
I see the trees in the garden as surely being SYMBOLIC of the two opposing sides...Tree of Life (God) ...Tree of Good and Bad (Satan)
We have snakes now today too
Ones that TALK? Ones that EAT DUST?
so your arguement that trees are real and grow fruit is not a very good one...trees do not give you knoweldge and God does not talk to us and ban us from eating fruit.
Actually, I'm not here to argue at all. So, I will exit from your own private THINKING thread after this post so you can think alone.
My personal opinion the first chapters of Genesis are ALL metaphor. Adam and Eve not really two individuals,
You know what happens when you go back 100 years? Less people. 1000 years? Less people than that. Eventually, you go back to ONLY TWO.
Cain and Abel a lovely metaphor for the rivalry between farmers and ranchers, etc. I'm quite aware of the idea that metaphor abounds in the Bible, I am also quite aware that there is an idea that the creation accounts are two seperate stories and possibly written by two groups of people, and merged together later...I was trying to have fun with the idea of flying snakes, and point out how absurd it is to try and take anything in the Bible and interpret it into truth statements.
Well have your fun. I hate to break it to you, that snake in Genesis does fly. They call them kinda snakes DRAGONS.
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I was actually THINKING...
by joannadandy inok--very unlike me to be reflective or meditate...especially on things of a biblical nature, but today i was home sick and left with thoughts and a lot of cold medicine, so here i am with my bible based thought of the day...what do you people make of this: .
"and the lord god said unto the serpent because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" .
does that mean snakes had legs at some point?
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Metaphor is identified by something happening that is not real, literal, "normal" or familiar, as in serpents talking and eating dust.
Trees are literal, and fruit does grow on them and can be eaten. Literal tree, metaphorical serpent...
Wanna see something that I think is kind of cool that I think opens things up a bit? Look at the defining words that are involved with the Hebrew word for serpent:
Nachash - snake (from it's hiss), from the ROOT to hiss or whisper a magic spell, generally to prognasticate (foretell the future).
The word actually comes from the SOUND of the creature not the LOOK of the creature.
Satan whispering in ears...hissssssssss. You positively will not die...hisssssssss...hissssssssss....
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I was actually THINKING...
by joannadandy inok--very unlike me to be reflective or meditate...especially on things of a biblical nature, but today i was home sick and left with thoughts and a lot of cold medicine, so here i am with my bible based thought of the day...what do you people make of this: .
"and the lord god said unto the serpent because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" .
does that mean snakes had legs at some point?
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but why curse it to crawl on it's belly...
If the "serpent" is metaphorical for a spiritual creature, so would the terms of the "curse" be metaphorical for a spiritual demeaning.
When I analyze Genesis, I keep like terms, just as in Algebra. If the equation begins in metaphor, keep it all metaphor. If you change a term to spritual, change ALL the terms to spiritual.
..implying that it did not before locomote in a belly fashion...There are more terms of clearly visible metaphor inside this...one plainly is snakes do not eat dust. But God has this snake eating the dust. Metaphor for the LOW STATION, the LOWEST of the LOW that this creature had managed to become.
Satan was not created as a "low life belly crawler"...he was CURSED into being such in the eyes of his Superior because of his own CRAFTY words and actions...
Edited by - pomegranate on 3 October 2002 22:29:1
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I'm being DF'ed...
by email inthis is my first post on this board even though i have been lurking for a looong time.... .
i have just being told that the judicial committee has decided to disfellowship me and that i have a week to appeal if i decide to do so.
the reason: "apostasy".
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So...how's it feel to be finally let out of jail?
PS. Welcome
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I was actually THINKING...
by joannadandy inok--very unlike me to be reflective or meditate...especially on things of a biblical nature, but today i was home sick and left with thoughts and a lot of cold medicine, so here i am with my bible based thought of the day...what do you people make of this: .
"and the lord god said unto the serpent because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" .
does that mean snakes had legs at some point?
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pomegranate
Equating loathsome spirit creature with loathsome physical creature.
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Why don't JW's used the word 'Church'
by Double Edge in.
i'm curious...do the jw have something against the word church?
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pomegranate
Maybe because they try so hard to be chosen and different and above it all...
...but when it comes right down to it, their crap stinks too.
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I was actually THINKING...
by joannadandy inok--very unlike me to be reflective or meditate...especially on things of a biblical nature, but today i was home sick and left with thoughts and a lot of cold medicine, so here i am with my bible based thought of the day...what do you people make of this: .
"and the lord god said unto the serpent because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" .
does that mean snakes had legs at some point?
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pomegranate
Maybe it's all 100% metaphor.
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