http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/10/18/106.html
friday, oct. 18, 2002. page iv .
no rehearsals or notes for this musical anarchist.
Very cool. I used to be in a number of groups that played fully freeform instantaneous created on the spot music. We gigged around the Rhode Island area.
Beleive it or not, some people really like it. Though it can be quite, err, well let's say challenging to the ear. The more prowess the musician, the better the free form music. Some of it was just plain killer...
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Pomegranet you missed the point. I was saying that your definition of Evolution is wrong. You are lumping abiogenesis in with evolution. It should be considered separately. I wasn't asking for a list of authorities to appeal to.
I know what your point is.
Abiogenesis is part and parcel of the evolutionary lump. It is the first STEP, the beginning, the HEAD of evolution. It is the leg upon which the whole hypothesis stands.
So IT cannot be seperated from the lump. If you think seperating abiogenesis from the evolutionary hypothesis is good science, then so is a man without his head.
Without abiogenesis, evolution doesn't have a leg to stand on. Abiogenesis IS evolution's legs.
"Abiogenesis" (read evolution) is as close to impossible as probability math will take the numbers...of which I believe it is the next best thing to impossible. (I woud never put my money on those odds, let alone my life.)
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
In my opinion all of the above are "fences" that keep people from knowing the love of God. This brings me back to my original post on this thread. Many evolutionists, and creationists have built such sturdy fences around themselves that they cannot see the validity of each others point of view. It alway boils down to "I'm right, and your wrong."
We do differ here. Science is science. The atom behaves only by the LAWS it is bound by, and things (let's say medicines as an example) have been created by the scientists who were"right" in their understanding. There has never been any proof, example, experiment or mathematical equation that brings order out of chaos. Chaos remains chaotic until intelligence causes order and complexity, and that has never been a fence. It is a long standing fact. Though albeit, intelligence can also create some of the darkest chaos, but that is taking what is preordered and dismantling it. Regardless, true science is not and should never be a "I'm right and your wrong" fence, but a this is what the FACTS show presently, how does that line up with the evidence we see now.
My personal belief that the primary goal of science is to help us undersatnd the beauty of creation that surrounds us. This should not be limited to the world that we experience with our senses, but should be extended to the realm of the spiritual. The scientist who says "There is no God" , in my opinion has a very limited point of view. I believe God evolved our minds, and gave us the gift of curiosity so we could develop a methodology to help us undestand the nature of Him.
I have no problem with the above statement, except I would have used the phrase "God created our minds." The rest is very agreeable.
I wonder what the world would have been like if Saul of Tarsus had not hyjacked a charismatic Jewish sect, and delivered it into the hands of Rome as a means of conquest of the western world. I think even if you disagree with every other point in this post, I hope we can agree that the Holy Roman Empire was one of man's vilest creations.
I bet you if we sat down with a cup of coffee and shot the breeze for a spell, we'd find we probably agree on more than we disagree. I like your posts.
Edited by - pomegranate on 18 October 2002 7:29:26
Blues guitar great...I used to listen to him alot.
Bummer he died.
today not only did my daughter turn the annoying yet interesting age of 12, me and my husband are celebrating our 16th anniversary.
going away for the weekend to a cabin in red lodge mt and boy is it cozy.
have a great weekend you guys!
Me and my wife are celebrating out 21st today!!
HEY!! Stereo anniversaries!!!
Congrats!! To us BOTH!!!
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
man is responsible for for such evil creations as weapons, religions, the Torah, the Bible, the Koran, and the concept of Satan, which tend to do way more harm than good.
We'll have to wait and see as to which ones above are defined as "fences."
Edited by - pomegranate on 17 October 2002 21:54:10
Kewl...
I was enamored by the album "Strange Universe"
I think Frank had a very Jimi approach to his playing like Trower did. He even had a Jimi flair to his vox too..
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Creationists have provided theselves an escape from evolution.
Men don't have to answer to evolution, they have to answer to God.
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Nice point about fences. God didn't create them. They are a product of religion.
Religion is a product of man.
People who put up fences so they can pick a side be on, just defile the countryside.
Men put up fences. God destroys the fences.
Sorry, I refuse to buy into man-defined black/white answers,
So do I. I buy into the white of God.
because my world is filled with all the colors of the rainbow.
Without the white of light there is no color.
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Which ones?
What difference does it make? The point is, many many many believe an intelligent Being formed everything with full intention, whether it be Allah, Buddah, Jehovah or Sam the Sham from the Pharaoh galaxy. A scientific man being "Christian" or otherwise is a red herring. We are talking creation or evolution, not the potential of what flavor God a man believes in as smoke clouding his reasoning capabilities.
I'm pointing out the fact that just because a man is intelligent it does not necessarily follow that he is intellectually honest. Do you refute that fact?
I wouldn't call it FACT unless I knew it for sure. Also, that goes for the evolutionists equally so. Surely MEN from both camps (creation/evolution) can portray intellectual dishonesty just as easy as the other, with none being more or less dishonest than the other.
ANY MAN can be that way. That's why I dig into deeply myself because who can I trust?
Creationists have nothing to gain by their position.
Evolutionists have created their release from God.
