Posts by pomegranate

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

PS. How about God can kill what is bad?

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

why? pomegranate is nothing but a stooopid little man...
his life story is nothing to be proud of...
he is a slave to corruption...
he waits for God...
with faith...
and...
h
o
p
e

pomegrante's choice of words to people sometimes make a fool of him...

regards,
pomegranate the fool.

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

A god that kills, is that the God that you still love?????

That is not the god I love. The description above is Satan.
I do not love that god. The cause of death is Satan. Life begets life, death begets death.

By explanations of pendulums, etc. You have carefully avoided the original question

The pendulum answers the question matter of factly. Death was introduced by a false god. We are on a "ride" that has the bad mixed with the good. That ride does not justify sitting around doing nothing by way of giving help to those who have less in life. Like it has been insinuated to me as what I am doing. (Talk about condescending and presuming.) I do what I can around me, in my own little space, to the best of my ability.

Look all you folks that want to point your fingers at God do so. It's your choice. You may think it's a sign of bravery or courage or whatever. If y'all feel you know more than God and if that's what makes y'all feel good, do it.

you should at least consider that you've posted on a public forum for all to see.

So should we all right?

PS. The one who gives life can take away life. If he takes a life away, the removal of such will be fully justified. I do love that God, who gave us all that sense of justice, who some are using to condemn the Creator. Whatever.

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

No Naomi, one more reply, you deserve it.

You don't even know me. Your saying just because I'm not sitting in the lowest bowels of poverty in India, with death at my door step that I'm a no brainer and an _sshole, right?

Tell me all about my life Naomi. Tell me what pomegranate has seen and felt. You obviously know all things about me. Sticking my nose in the crap of the earth like a dog being house trained. Pomegranate has experienced known injustices. But, only Naomi can see ALL things because she knows better than God. Heck, she probably is God. Well God Naomi tell me...

Tell me all about sexual abuse with children Naomi. Tell me all about the suicide of a 15 year old boy that put a gun to his head God Naomi. Tell me all about drug and alcohol abuse and the extreme violence and madness that accompanies it. How much death has pomegranate dealt with in his life God Naomi? How much? You know right? You know all things. Your fully versed in the above topics too right God Naomi? Just like pomegranate? You in your infinite wisdom and experience, you know that these are nothing compared to dead babies in India. Right?

Ahh. But Naomi's going to say, pomegranate, your pissy life doesn't count. What you feel and see is meaningless and doesn't count. It does not compare with a dead baby in India. You have technology, so what you feel is nothing. You wear pants. Your feelings and experiences suck pomegranate, compared to India. You eat food.

It's only what God Naomi sees that is wrong with the world, is what's truly unjust. Since she is God Naomi and all knowing, she can condemn people for putting hope and faith in something that can fix everything.

It would seem to me that your verbal condemnation is a step or two before physical condemnantion. That is how it works, you know, first the verbal then the physical.

So God Naomi, everybody else is a numb skull, and doesn't experience injustice and the ills of the world at all. Especially the ones that believe in God.

God Naomi, tell pomegranate all about pomegranate will you please?

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

I would say that the questions were avoided

And what question id that ianao?

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

just want to avoid answering my question????

All of your questions have been answered. I am now at the point of not "pulling out all the stops", but putting my pearls before swine, no more replies.

Don't Love God Naomi, your choice.

The answer God gave me satisfies me. If it doesn't satisfy you, live your life in the perplexed state of quandary your posts very obviously reveal.

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

Naomi,

"Because of no nail, the horseshoe got lost,
Because of no horseshoe, the horse got lost,
Because of no horse, the rider got lost,
Because of no rider, the battle got lost,
Because of no battle, the kingdom got lost"

Naomi, let me relate an illustration that I have been given. I am going to use the example of a pendulum.

God created a pendulum. The pendulum was to be a tool. The ultimate goal of the tool was for a piece of God to die, so as to equalize a scale that had become unbalanced.

That pendulum was mankind. Let's call mankind the world in the sense that the globe is a great shape for a pendulum.

When God created the pendulum, it wasn't in motion. As a matter of fact, he held it tightly in his hands, steady and motionless. The pendulum was Good, and it was held ALL the way to the RIGHT. There was what seemed like a little string attached to the pendulum, invisible to all except God, and this was attached around the neck of His Only Begotten Son.

A false God contaminated the pendulum with corruption, right under the Creators nose in full view of Him. That corruption in so many words was; "Don't listen to him, listen to ME. You can be God and do what YOU think is best for yourself." The only purpose behind this beings intentions, was to satisfy his selfish desire to "be God", at the expense of others lives.

The ground work was set for the elimination of the problem (The Cause) by this new creation (The pendulum, us). When the "I Am God" challenge was made, there was one rule in place for the pendulum. That rule was, obedience or I let go(death). The height (value)at which that pedulum was held by God was VERY VERY high.

Regardless of the height (value) at which God placed on this new creation though, the RESISTOR contaminated it WITHOUT regard for any other life (Us). HE CAUSED something to happen. He caused the breaking of the first LAW. By him introducing "corruption", he caused God to LET GO of the pendulum, because it was no longer His creation, it was the Resistors creation, STOLEN away by corruption. God HAD to let it go. He released it from His hands. The world was about to start it's swing away from God. It's now junk.

Now the pendulum starts to swing to the left. As the pedulum picks up momentum and swings left, bad things start to happen. The second bad thing to happen as the pendulum left God's hands was the first murder (Cain and Abel), whose CAUSE was Satan. ALL of the bad things that happen to the pendulum as it gets further and further from God, are a direct result of THE CAUSE. THE CAUSE is the ONLY reason for the "letting go" of the pendulum, the CAUSE is the reason for all Bad.

When the pendulum was closer to God, at the beginning of the "letting go", God was more involved with the pendulum by way of Him showing His existence by way of punctuated interventions. Why? Because the pendulum was "closer" to the truth of "the beginning." Some of these interventions ment early death to corrupt mankind. Though we may not fully understand His reasoning for eliminating of what seems like "innocent" individuals, we can be sure that it was justified.

We do know a lot of the false gods of the early Bible times had a high disregard for life, like the sacrificing of innocent children to Satan (Molech), by burning them in fire. Would each of the times God executed judgement on people like this, be justifiable? Also, we have to remember, that from Adam forward ALL are corrupt, deserving of death even before anyone is even born. Too, we have to ALWAYS keep in mind WHO the CAUSE of ALL THAT IS WRONG really is. Should the blame be put on the one who HAD to let go, or the one who CAUSED the letting go?

Yes, God is permitting the pendulum to swing away from him. Remember God did not cause the letting go.

As the pendulum swings further and further away from God, God seems to have less and less to do with the pendulum. The last time God seemed to have ANY concern for the pendulum was when the TEACHER who's neck the string was attached to, came to earth to explain THE CAUSE and EFFECT. He also explained that what swings away from God, will eventually swing back, because the string was tied around his own neck. He even knew and taught that the weight and momentum of that pendulum was eventually going to choke him to death, but He knew the Good that was to come from the return of the pendulum back to it's rightful owner.

The pendulum was at the very bottom of it's travel away from God. The TEACHER was on the pendulum in flesh, at fastest point of travel, the very bottom of it's plunge. The pendulum is also moving at it's fastest speed at this point in time. The truth of the TEACHER and THE CAUSE are now known. The CAUSE trys to stop the pendulum (temptation), but there is too much weight and momentum behind it. The spiritual inertia behind it cannot be stopped.

After the the TEACHER left the pendulum in death, it seemed that all concern for the pendulum by God was gone. God was silent. He just seems to let the pendulum swing endlessly away from Him without concern or care. (He even let's little babies die in India) The pendulum is starting to enter it's furthest point away from God, and oddly, God is silent. So very silent.

Finally, the pendulum begins to finish it's trek up hill to it's eventual FULL SWING to the left...

Then, something funny happens with the laws of physics when a pendulum reaches it's full swing from the starting point. For a split second, IT STOPS. There's a HUGE weight shift. The pendulum that had become a noisy crashing death dealing wrecking ball as it plummeted from it's starting point on the RIGHT, stands still and silent, as the inertia inside it shifts from left to right. Everybody in the universe holds their breath.

Rev 8:1
8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

For every ACTION, there is an EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION. What goes around, comes around. A pendulum ALWAYS returns to the point that it started.

Every single BAD thing that happened to the pendulum as it swung away from God from the start, begins becoming UNDONE. On it's way back from RIGHT to left, ALL THE WRONGS ARE RIGHTED. Everything that LEFT God even without choice, returns home. (Dead babies in India are even brought back to life) The once wrecking ball pendulum, reverses itself and becomes the TIME PIECE of God. A Spiritual ROLEX. He loves his pendulum, every composite piece of it. What initially looked like a piece of garbage in the beginning, was in fact made out of solid Gold you know. What looked like a string attached to it was actually a chain of solid PLATINUM. That piece of God that held the pendulum around His neck, was His very own Son. He is the One who saved the pendulum by carrying the weight (value) of it's contents (Us) around His very neck. He died for the pendulum.

Naomi, do you get the picture? God is silent. The pendulum is near full swing. The ride back to the RIGHT is going to be AWESOME. EVRYTHING WRONG WILL BE RIGHTED. IF YOU SENSE SOMETHING WRONG in your human justice, be assured that God, who GAVE YOU that very attribute knows JUSTICE FULL WELL and way more than you and I.

The pedulum was let go because of hate. A string was attached because of Love.

PS. I heard the pendulum is going to be used in an AWESOME grandfather clock!

pom

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How many Saviors

by mensa163 in

hopefully a learned jw can answer this for me.. i have many jw friends & attended a couple of meetings.. one friend dropped by every month or so handing out pamphlets etc.

and we enjoyed the visits.

one saturday i asked him who was savior and he said jesus.

pomegranate

Rom 1:18-20
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Genesis, the "two become one flesh."

In the spirit too? Yup;

1 Cor 6:16-17
For it is said, "The two will become one flesh"17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

If it happens in the flesh and the spirit can it happen with God?

Of course. The Father and Son become one God.

What is it in creation that is so clearly seen about the nature of God, that men are without excuse?

Two.

One tabernacle, two compartments.

Two temples, two compartments.

Two is good.

pom

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

I haven't singled you out, you did that to me.

I posted a topic, you responded and I singled you out? It was your decision to come to me not the other way around.

just because God didn't say in the bible that he gave a law to angels doesn't mean he didn't,

If that is your truth, live with it. Believe what you want to believe.

afterall if we go on what he did set for adam and eve , i.e a law for them to follow, as to say that he was their god, wouldn't it be plausible that he did the same for angels?????

He did. But it was after Adam and Eve's Law. The Mosaic Law bound both sides of the curtain. That's how Christ fulfilled it. Both sides now. Funny huh? The low-lifes get the rules first.

Look if you want to love god, then ok but do you have reason for doing so

Life. It is a gift. I am greatful to the Giver. My reward is being alive NOW. What ever happens in the furture happens. It is out of my control. But I am certainly not going to doubt the wisedom of the One who made the heavens and the earth, and how huge the Love of that One must be.

would you still love god if you knew that there would be no reward, ie heaven, or a paradise on earth.

See the above.

You never even answered the question I wanted answering, I.e Why set the question to be answered as if you didn't know, when you already knew the answer to it, seems like a landmine to me, so you can project your thoughts onto others that might fall into answering it!!!!!

Are you really that upset at my method for generating a topic for discussion? I am sorry I upset you. Landmine? That is an odd comparison for an innocent topic for conversation. You call it "project your thoughts," I call it sharing my thoughts. PS. Landmines kill. Comparing a post to a death trap. Neat.

Don't you see how condesending qouting my words are when you are taking them out of context.

I have used your words for nothing of my own which is the only reason anyone would take statements out of context. I have answered your reply, that is all.

You may not like my response well thats ok because it is my opinion.

Whether I "like" your reply or not is meaningless to you, and your opinion is your own, which I respect. Believe what you want.

Just be sure you love God for the right reason,

LOVE is all you need.

I can't love someone who could kill someone, I find that hard

That's fine. That's your belief. If that brings you consolation, then that's good for you. Don't love God.

is where a man stole silver from when Jericho was destroyed and it was hidden and his whole family slaughtered, that means children too, doesn't seem like justice to me, definately not what I regard as loving and there is alot of direct killing from God.

I find it hard to believe that someone where dare have the b_lls to defy God when the very evidence of Him was VISIBLY proved before their very eyes. ALL around them. His very POWER was being seen with their own two eyes. Love is letting corruption even exist AT ALL.

Please answer the question that you didn't answer.

YES, Naomi, I Love you.

goodbye.
p

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Satan...Why wasn't he destroyed right AWAY??

by pomegranate in

that was my first question to god.. why?.

does anybody have any understanding on this question?.

pomegranate

Naomi,

Sheesh, No condescension implied, but why are you so upset? Why are you here? Why have you singled me out?

well he had already broken the first law he set out for Adam and eve

The Law was given to Adam and Eve NOT Satan. Satan ATE NOTHING! No Law was broken by Satan.

he would have given a law because he is a perfect God

Perfection has NOTHING to do with LAW. LAW is put into service to PUNISH bad. That is all. When there is NO BAD, there is NO LAW. PERIOD. All there was in the very beginning was LOVE. You know like the Beatles, Love is all You Need.

I think that its arrogance

Look up at the stars. The universe is one arrogant place huh?

I don't think ppl really love god

Pretty presumptuous. I love God, thank you very much.

So what is your point in being here? Trying to break down belief? Trying to justify yourself? Is hammering me down making you feel good? If I have an answer that is satisfactory for me and I would like to share it with others, you condemn me for that? Why can't I have the freedom you seemingly cherish, with a hardcore belief and love for God?