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  Creation: The big and the small of it

  by Zechariah in

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  more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

  man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

  random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

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  pomegranate

  The Catholic Church is simply one example of the religious mindset which you are now demonstrating - thatis, an a priori determination of how the universe is, rather than one based on observation. Modern Geology absolutely rejects the idea of a Noachian flood. So your "Untrue" statement is idiotic. Modern Geology cannot and could not exist if the flood account were taken literally - nor, by the way can modern day celestial mechanics, and even Newton's laws of motion be reconciled with the flood account.

  There are modern geologists that agree with a global flood. Would you like me to list some of them for you with their credentials?

  Celestial mechanics developed because people made observations of the actual universe that eventually led to strongly held - and Biblical teachings such as a flat Earth - being rejected. The same thing has happened with evolution, and, incidentally the fact that the Solar System is chaotic. All of these ideas have steadily been opposed by ignorant "true believers" such as yourself.

  The Bible teaches no such thing as a flat earth. Calling me ignorant makes you less believable.

  Philosophically, in rejecting the physical evidence for evolution you are behaving in exactly the same was as the Catholic Church did.

  You have no idea what I believe. The physical evidence in no way supports a transitory developement of life.

  Emotionally you are unable to deal with reality.

  Whoa!!! Nicely crafted insults you're lobbing there big guy!! Does it make you feel right?

  Edited by - pomegranate on 23 October 2002 17:39:57
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  Creation: The big and the small of it

  by Zechariah in

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  more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

  man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

  random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

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  pomegranate

  Wait a second Frank. You either misread or are misunderstading. I WHOLEY say the Catholic church was a stymy for scientific progress. Go re-read what I wrote.

  We're not talking about religious men of science who discovered things here, we're talking about the CHURCH itself. You're mixing apples and oranges.

  No, you are not reading correctly. I say PLAINLY as in my previous post Catholicism was a deterrant to scientific progress.

  Frankly I think you should be able to argue your points absent making foolish and obvious mistakes about the role of the church.

  You better go back to school and take some reading comprehension tests.

  Edited by - pomegranate on 23 October 2002 17:31:9
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  Some times in life, it just rains.

  by kenpodragon in

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  this last june my wife and i were invited to a close friends wedding.

  june it a normally a hot month in our area, with blue skies and temperature in the mid nineties.

  it is not unusual for people to plan outdoor weddings, and take advantage of our nice summer climate.

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  pomegranate

  Exactly. Lose/Lose.
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  Creation: The big and the small of it

  by Zechariah in

  1. jw
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  more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

  man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

  random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

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  pomegranate

  I said that "religious belief" has impeded scientific progress and still does.

  The list of scientists overrules your OPINION which has no validity.

  One need only consider the Catholic Church's persecution of pioneers in celestial mechanics,

  The pioneers of celestial mechanics were believers in God and the Bible. I believe your problem is lumping believers in with the Catholic Church.

  Most of the early scientists that were cutting edge were defiant of the church, as history plainly shows. NOW. If you said the CATHOLIC CHURCH had impeded scientific progress, then you would be speaking the truth. Believers in God and the Bible set scientific milestones.

  The people you cited may have believed in God but progress was slowed down in many fields by the necessity to reconcile scientific findings with preconceived notions about the universe.

  
  Which came from the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Most scientists were rebels of the church yet retained their beliefs. God and science do go together and do progress, as the list plainly shows.

  Certainty about the universe is thevery antithesis of the scientific method. Geology could not have developed without the absolute rejection of the idea of a global flood.

  Untrue.
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  Creation: The big and the small of it

  by Zechariah in

  1. jw
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  more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

  man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

  random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

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  Look. To blanket everyone that is religious or believes in God as stymying scientific progress is clueless as to the facts.

  In another thread, I posted a list of some of the men of science who were either reigious or believers in God. Did you know that all the major disciplines of science were founded by men who believed? So, if this is in fact TRUE, which the facts can surely be found that it is indeed, then your statement is in fact, pure cow pucky.

  Facts for you:

  Scientific Disciplines Established By Bible-Believing Scientists

  Discipline	Scientist
  Antiseptic Surgery	Joseph Lister (1827-1912)
  Bacteriology	Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)
  Calculus	Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
  Celestial Mechanics	Johann Kepler (1571-1630)
  Chemistry	Robert Boyle (1627-1691)
  Comparative Anatomy	Georges Cuvier (1769-1832)
  Computer Science	Charles Babbage (1792-1871)
  Dimensional Analysis	Lord Rayleigh (1842-1919)
  Dynamics	Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
  Electrodynamics	James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)
  Electromagnetics	Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
  Electronics	Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945)
  Energetics	Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
  Entomology of Living Insects	Henri Fabre (1823-1915)
  Field Theory	Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
  Galactic Astronomy	William Herschel (1738-1822)
  Gas Dynamics	Robert Boyle (1627-1691)
  Genetics	Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
  Glacial Geology	Louis Agassiz (1807-1873)
  Gynecology	James Simpson (1811-1870)
  Hydraulics	Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)
  Hydrography	Matthew Maury (1806-1873)
  Hydrostatics	Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
  Ichthyology	Louis Agassiz (1807-1873)
  Isotopic Chemistry	William Ramsay (1852-1916)
  Model Analysis	Lord Rayleigh (1842-1919)
  Natural History	John Ray (1627-1705)
  Non-Euclidean Geometry	Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866)
  Oceanography	Matthew Maury (1806-1873)
  Optical Mineralogy	David Brewster (1781-1868)
  Paleontology	John Woodward (1665-1728)
  Pathology	Rudolph Virchow (1821-1902)
  Physical Astronomy	Johann Kepler (1571-1630)
  Reversible Thermodynamics	James Joule (1818-1889)
  Statistical Thermodynamics	James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)
  Stratigraphy	Nicholas Steno (1631-1686)
  Systematic Biology	Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778)
  Thermodynamics	Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
  Thermokinetics	Humphrey Davy (1778-1829)
  Vertebrate Paleontology	Georges Cuvier (1769-1832)
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  Would you live in the book, The Exorcist?

  by Tatiana in

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  if you could live in the world of any book, which book would you choose and why?

  i have a reason for asking this...... .

  april

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  April....

  How y'all been!!! How's everything going? Did your son recover OK?? I believe that was around the last time we chit chatted...I think your email went bad on me er sumthin...can't remember.

  Hmmm..book? I remember when I was a kid, I read this book called My Side of the Mountain...that would prolly be it.
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  Creation: The big and the small of it

  by Zechariah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

  man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

  random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

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  pomegranate

  the relevance of the specific remark you quoted is that religious "belief" has been notorious for holding back scientific progress. That has been the case for centuries - and it still is.

  That's pure bovine meadow muffins.
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  Creation: The big and the small of it

  by Zechariah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

  man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

  random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

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  pomegranate

  Why did he make fleas to torment dogs and other animals as well as transmit bubonic plague to humans? Why mosquitoes to transmit disease? Why poisonous snakes and spiders? Why so much cruelity in nature, and other things like lightening, tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes?

  I believe God created the physical world to mirror the condition the spiritual world was in when he began creating the physical things. Good and Bad.

  For instance: cute little doggie = Good/Domestic mirrors Good/Angel. Big bad wolf = Bad/Wild/ mirrors Bad/Demon.
  
  No one can deny if God created everything, He PURPOSELY created a world filled with good and bad.

  How bout those blood sucking parasitic ticks? Hmmm. Image and likeness of Bad spirits?

  Good. Bad. Good. Bad...God creates BAD and calls it GOOD? Yup. Mosquitoes GOOD? They bite, they suck, they itch they SPREAD CONTAMINATION. Hmmm. Image and likeness of Bad spirits? Me thinks so.

  I believe when God created the physical, the spiritual was already in a major revolt. Satan started spreading the "poison" in heaven, the "plague", the "disease" and it spread like LEAVEN. Contamination. God created things that cause contamination, in the image and likeness of the world he was thrust into by the Adverasry.

  If he was going to be tormented and bugged, so would ALL of creation.

  Of course, until He says it's time to squash "the bugs."
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  Would you live in the book, The Exorcist?

  by Tatiana in

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  2. friends

  if you could live in the world of any book, which book would you choose and why?

  i have a reason for asking this...... .

  april

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  pomegranate

  Heyyyyyy! I know you!
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  Got a belly ache?? Try this:

  by pomegranate in

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