Posts by pomegranate

Pomegranate -
Why cant you accept that the universe just happened from nothing but a godlike creator can? I used to feel as you do that the days mentioned in the Bible could still mean millions of years each in Gods eyes, but now I just dont know if I can handle that. You said, If GOD wants you to know He exists, He will make Himself known to you. Does this mean that god doesnt want some people to know? Because many are atheist and agnostic like me, does this mean we arent worthy?

I can't accept anything but God. I have TRIED to TOTALLY annilate it within me before (belief in God) but it just won't leave me alone. If you knew me, you'd know EXACTLY what I mean. I am enslaved to it.

Believe exactly as you do, I can't change me and I can't change you. If I can't change myself, how can I change anyone else? You will be whatever you are supposed to be. I will only speak what I believe, not to change anyone, because that is impossible for me to do.

God chooses the man, the man does not choose God, because there is nothing man can do to make God do anything.

Believing in God is good and bad.

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

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more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

pomegranate

The man who lobs insults is the man that can't debate.

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

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more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

pomegranate

So it's OK for you to insult people like Francois but you don't like being insulted yourself.

Mr Ged, me and Frank have tallied back and forth at times in jest...what I said to him was NOT an insult and if you read his post, his reply was a jest right back and he took it exactly as I dealt it. Tell tale sign? The tongue out smiley at the end of his post. I mean, I'm quite sure that's Frank's angle...care to chime in Frank?

You have yet to demonstrate that the individuals you named did their work _because_ they believed in God; perhaps they believed in God simply because, at that time, pretty much everyone believed in God. Nor did you tell me what you know about Mr. Kelvin and his estimates for the age of the Earth.

I don't have to demonstrate ANYTHING. I posted those individuals who are known for their integrity to science and their highly qualified credentials while at the same time believing in God.

Who gives a crap about what Kelvin hypothesised? Every single one of those men were wrong in something, and their scientific disciplines were ALL further refined and defined by their post understudies.

However, the original question I raised is whether Geology (note the capital G - that means the modern scientific field of Geology) is consistent with a Noachian Flood. I argued that the modern field of Geology is absolutely inconsistent with the idea of a flood. And it is. You have presented a list of names of people who have degrees in geology perhaps, and who have written scientific papers, and, who, you claim believe in a flood or at least Creation.

Please note, my area of pertinent interest is NOT Geology. I really have NO interest in that science at all. I asked if you would like well qualified individuals that I knew of who were Geologists and Bible believers and I did so. Each and every one of them can be researched as they are not just CHUMPS. Geology is no different than any other science. There are believers and unbelievers. Simple.

Very nice but absolutely dishonest (or stupid - you take your pick) - now your task is to produce papers written by these people in professional Geology publications that make the case for the flood - or which base their conclusions on the idea of a Noachain flood about 4000 years ago.

Right. That's YOUR task. I have no reason to defend my position to the likes of you. You have more than aptly shown what type of a debater you are...so, I gave you the names, you do the homework.

Only if you can do that can you establish that the modern field of Geology considers the flood to be a credible possibility. Otherwise all you have shown is that some people can get degrees in a field and still not understand that field - and we all know that.

Your what I call a blah blah blah.

For example, I know personally an organic chemist who writes for one of the Creationist outfits. One of the people you cite works for the Geoscience Research Institute - a well known Creationist outfit that has zero scientific credibility. Another is at Bryan College which is Christian college.

More blah blah blah. Words of slight and defaming with NOTHING to back them up.

To argue that these people are part of the scientific field of Geology is nonsensical.

Oh, just because YOU say so. Oh shit, the doctor has spoken.

Actually you are making a very common logical mistake - the resort to authority - except those you resort to have no credibility in Geology.

Oh sure, make up something AFTER I come up with the goods. Funny you didn't have that answer BEFORE I listed the names. Actually, I believe it is you that is dodging the bullet of embarrassment.

Of cousre, you'll argue that mainstream Geology is miseld.

Now he can even say what I'm going to say before I say it. As I said before, I couldn't care less about Geology. So me argiung the gory details is moot.

Well, whether it is or it isn't, mainstream Geology is the scientific field of Geology and it rejects the flood.

Some Geologists do and some don't. You choose one, I choose the other, Big deal.

Totally and unequivocally. It is only your distance from even the semblance of educated thought that make syou unable to distinguish between having a PhD and being credible. That isn't an insult by the way.

No it's a blatant lie. So you're a liar now. Doesn't surprise me at all.

You have demonstrated precisely nothing and you still haven't told me how Jangaroos got to Australia.

New species?

Edited by - pomegranate on 23 October 2002 20:14:19

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

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friends

more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

pomegranate

The whole physical world is one big symbolic metaphor of the spiritual world.

As in heaven so on earth.

That's what I believe.

I was having a tiny bit of respect for your posts until I read this.

Sure you were.

He purposely filled a world with good and bad?

Yup.

Then piss on your God whoever he is. You are one sick puppy.

Let's see. He purposely created you to create crap that you must excrete. And you do. You have no choice but to create WASTE. Stinky smelly WASTE. Is crap "good" gumby? Go ahead, tell me crap is good. God created YOU do generate it. And urine too. Is urine GOOD gumby?

He created you to have PAIN. Is pain GOOD gumby?

He created you to HUNGER for food. Is that Good?

He created YOU a slave to your body. You are NOTHING but an addict to the whim of the flesh. Is that Good?

It is ALL good and bad...just as everthing God has made.

Yet, God said it was all VERY GOOD, even though there was "BAD" from the physical point of view.

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Would you live in the book, The Exorcist?

by Tatiana in

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if you could live in the world of any book, which book would you choose and why?

i have a reason for asking this...... .

april

pomegranate

Pom.....I think that was the last time. I've been offline for a while. No computer. My hardrive crashed. I'm using my son's right now, but only for a day or two. I told Xena I'd give up TV, food, my phone, and other things for a brand new computer.

Wow...I was wondering what the heck happened...good to have you in a thread again. errrr well at least me in your thread!!

Anyway, my son is doing fine. The bullet is still in, and is moving around, but he's ok. How is your son? And the rest of the family? I've missed your music.

That's great...that was one horrible thing to have to deal with. Jesse is doing great too. He is staying fairly healthy and his disease seems to be subdued for now...the longer the better of course. He just went to college... So, he really needs to be careful. The rest of the fam is doing fine. Two are dealing with colds, but we can't complain. My latest music project is being pressed. I hope to have the first load of CD's soon...Hopefully we can still be in contact, I'll send ya a present!!

Didn't they make a movie of the book you mentioned?

Yeah they did. But I hated it. It was nothing like the book....

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

jw
friends

more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

pomegranate

Frank...

I'm really lookin forward to the big icing up. I bring a fifth of JD in my back pocket for times just like those....

<<brought to you by the Evelyn Wood speed reading course><

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

jw
friends

more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

pomegranate

Gedanken, ...here is a few...there's plenty more:

Steven A. Austin

Creationist
Geologist
Ph.D. from Pennsylvania State University, doctoral dissertation on coal formation
M.S. in geology from San Jose State University
B.S. in geology from the University of Washington
Consulting geologist for government and industry
Member: Geological Society of America
Member: American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Member: the Society for Sedimentary Geology
Member: the International Association of Sedimentologists
Author of numerous papers including publication in the peer-reviewed journal International Geology Review (1999)
Chairman of the Geology Department, Institute

Arthur V. Chadwick

Creationist
Biologist and Geologist
Ph.D. in Molecular Biology from University of Miami (1969)
Professor of Biology and Geology at Southwestern Adventist College, Keene, Texas
Web site: geology.SWAU.edu
Appeared in the motion picture, The Fossil Record

Elaine Kennedy

Creationist
Ph.D. in geology from the University of Southern California
M.S. in geology from Loma Linda University
B.S. in geology from Phillips University
B.S. in teaching sciences from Phillips University
Research scientist at the Geoscience Research Institute

John Morris

Creationist
Geological engineering
Ph.D. and M.S. in geological engineering from the University of Oklahoma (1980 and 1977)
B.S. in civil engineering from Virginia Polytechnic Institute (1969)
Former research assistant at Oklahoma University (1978-1980)
Former assistant professor at Oklahoma University (1980-1984)
Member: American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Member: Society of Petroleum Engineers
Department of Health, Education & Welfare Mining and Mineral Fuels Fellowship
Phillips Petroleum Graduate Fellowship
Oklahoma Mining & Minerals Research Institute Research Grant
Sun Oil Teaching Award (1980, 1981)

Andrew Snelling

Creationist
Geology
Ph.D. in geology from the University of Sydney
B.S. (hons) with first class honors in geology from the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia
Former editor of Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal in Australia
Author of numerous technical papers dealing with origins and radioactive dating problems

Ker C. Thomson

Creationist
Geophysics
D.Sc. in geophysics from the Colorado School of Mines
B.A. in physics and geology from the University of British Columbia, Canada
Author of numerous technical papers
Former professor of geophysics at Baylor University
Former professor of science at Bryan College
Former director of the U.S. Air Force Terrestrial Sciences Laboratory

Kurt P. Wise

Creationist
Geology
Ph.D. and M.A. in geology from Harvard University
B.A. with honors in geophysical sciences from the University of Chicago
Former student of Professor Stephen Jay Gould
Author of numerous papers regarding origins
Member: Geological Society of America
Director of Center for Origins Research and Education (CORE) at Bryan College, Dayton, Tennessee, U.S.A.

You have only demonstrated that people who believed in God could make scientific progress - that does not mean they did it because of their belief in God. No more than a fundamentalist auto worker can build a car because he believes in God. The evidence is overwhelming - as your own behavior demonstrates - that religious beliefs tends to impede an objective examination of the facts which impedes progress in science.

YOUR claim was faith in God and the Bible caused retardation of scientific progress, I PROVED YOU ABSOLUTLEY 100% WRONG.
That ill-result was from the CHURCH, of which MOST scientists flatly DISAGREED with. My behavior has done nothing except to prove you WRONG and you are desperately trying to wiggle your way out of being WRONG by the obvious INSULTS that losers like you ALWAYS turn to when their put in the corner. Insults are thrown by LOSERS.

Done.

Your insults make you look like a very imature little boy, did I tell you that already? Oh yeah. I did.

Edited by - pomegranate on 23 October 2002 19:26:26

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Everyone, please welcome buster to the board

by Jesika in

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i know him from silentlambs and now he is here.

i just wanted to welcome him here.. .

welcome buster!!!!!!!!!!

pomegranate

Yo Buster...we DEFINITELY know LOTS of the same people...

Vinny
Joe and Vinny (brothers)
Tim, Tom and Rita (twins, sister)
Jeff, April (Husband/Wife)

Full name here: Presott Adams ...er...Higgins...Weiss...Partridge...etc etc etc

Judy S...Gary, Mike, Danielle
Proctor (bunch o girls and a Frank)

I'm sure there's more...

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

jw
friends

more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

pomegranate

That isn't the issue. The issue is believers in God (whether Alah, Buddah, Jehovah or Harold Burbone) are supposed to have been a detriment to the sciences. Facts show otherwise.

Ps. Some of the list I posted are Jews.