Posts by NonCoinCollector

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

NonCoinCollector

It also included so-called 'concubines,' which is another word for random woman you are not married to. As long as these women weren't married to another man, the Bible doesn't seem to have an issue.

I forgot to mention concubines. If Solomon can have 700 wives and 300 concubines, how is that not an open marriage? But then again, the bible is full of laws showing women are just property like this one.

If a man encounters a young woman, a virgin who is not engaged, takes hold of her and rapes her, and they are discovered, the man who raped her is to give the young woman’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife because he violated her. He cannot divorce her as long as he lives. - Deuteronomy 22:28-29

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

NonCoinCollector

I said:
”Polygamy, as practiced in ancient Israel, was not an open marriage.”

Vintage, it seems you (or at least your god) supports misogyny, because I don't see a difference. How is it okay for a man to marry multiple women, but not okay for a woman to do the same? If it is okay for a woman to have multiple partners, then how is that not an open marriage? Finally, you failed to answer any of my other questions.

Quoting the bible only proves my point. Marriage was set up by religion. You have not shown that anything in Genesis 2 is historical. Second, by making a distinction between polygamy and open marriage you are saying that it is perfectly fine for a man to cheat on his wife by marrying another wife. Would this be the same God being worshiped that established one man and one woman from Genesis 2? If open marriage is a sin then why did the God of Genesis 2 decide that polygamy is not a sin? Is it possible that your God is a misogynist? Then later did that same God decide he made a mistake and change his mind by the time the New Testament came along?
So your choices are there is more than one god represented in the bible. In which case, which god said what? Or the bible's God can't make up his mind. In which case, is your no longer perfect? Or is the bible just the creation of several Mideastern men and thus just the work of a religion?
Not looking to debate you on this, (especially in a thread about a man that I wish to expose as the lying and cheating jerk that he is) but if you were honest at all, you can see how flawed your position is by using the bible. Marriage is a construct of religion and is not unique to modern Jewish and Christian faiths. Now if you would like to argue that ALL religions are equally inspired by God, then feel free to make that case.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

NonCoinCollector

Adultery as defined by the Old Testament is sleeping with another man's wife. Women are possessions (property) in the Old Testament. So are you saying it is okay if I marry another woman in addition to my wife? Also you are conveniently not answering my other questions.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

NonCoinCollector

Quoting the bible only proves my point. Marriage was set up by religion. You have not shown that anything in Genesis 2 is historical. Second, by making a distinction between polygamy and open marriage you are saying that it is perfectly fine for a man to cheat on his wife by marrying another wife. Would this be the same God being worshiped that established one man and one woman from Genesis 2? If open marriage is a sin then why did the God of Genesis 2 decide that polygamy is not a sin? Is it possible that your God is a misogynist? Then later did that same God decide he made a mistake and change his mind by the time the New Testament came along?

So your choices are there is more than one god represented in the bible. In which case, which god said what? Or the bible's God can't make up his mind. In which case, is your no longer perfect? Or is the bible just the creation of several Mideastern men and thus just the work of a religion?

Not looking to debate you on this, (especially in a thread about a man that I wish to expose as the lying and cheating jerk that he is) but if you were honest at all, you can see how flawed your position is by using the bible. Marriage is a construct of religion and is not unique to modern Jewish and Christian faiths. Now if you would like to argue that ALL religions are equally inspired by God, then feel free to make that case.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

NonCoinCollector

Do you see polygamy, as it was practiced by Israel in the Old Testament, as being an “open marriage”?

Well it sure isn't a closed marriage, now is it? As for quoting the bible, thanks for proving my point.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

NonCoinCollector

Scripturally, neither the husband nor the wife has the power or right to make theirs an “open marriage”. Scripturally, God created marriage, and he didn’t offer an “open marriage” option. Either marriage mate can forgive the other’s adultery and stay with that mate, but no human has the power to make adultery “not a sin”.

I'm going to disagree with you. The religions created marriage not God. Ancient Israel practiced polygamy for centuries along with any number of other civilizations. Sin is defined as a transgression against divine law, but the problem is nobody has ever been able to spell out what is and what isn't a divine law. If a couple together decide they are okay with an open marriage, then it is between them. It is not the business of any church to decide. That said, the honorable thing to do if either partner decide an open marriage isn't for them is end the marriage or remain faithful.

As for Lloyd in addition to betraying Dijana, he decided his infidelity should include using an industry that is known for trafficking women and minors. That is far more disgusting than simply being unfaithful. What makes this decision even worse is his pretending to be an advocate for the sexually abused. The man simply has no honor.

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Interesting comment regarding in person meeting attendance.

by joe134cd in

interesting remark i overheard today.

the physical attendance for the sunday meeting, in my local area, was 10. i tried to find out those on zoom.

i was told that the zoom attendees wasn’t mentioned.

NonCoinCollector

Looking at my local KH, the parking lot had about 25% of what it would have had 3 years ago. There is almost no youth going there. If Watchtower closes it, the next closest one is 18 miles away.

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