Posts by blankspace

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Masionic Rings worn on right hand.

by WildSteve in

did anybody see august 2018 broadcasting yet?

masionic rings always worn on the right hand little finger, these are gatekeep rings.. brother let shows his in a big way, and then the other old brother who was in prison in spain, when he tells his story they realy make a big deal on his gatekeeper masionic ring on his little finger of his right hand..

blankspace

OMG the Kerfuffles are making me ROFL!!!

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Child trafficking issues in India

by MaxPayne in

this is the message that was posted on the jw inbox announcements tab.

i have copy pasted it as it was.

if anyone from india has any information related to this, please do share.. regards.. urgent: child trafficking accusations.

blankspace

@careful, joint families are generations that live together in one huge house. You'd have your parents, grandparents, great grandparents if they're still alive, maybe uncles, aunt's, cousins and your own kids. While not all joint families are this huge, most have at least 3 generations staying together. And the oldest ones have absolute authority. So there's no point of being the head of your house because you still have to let your 95 year old grandmother make major decisions.

It's a bit different in cities though.

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Why Do People Oppose Jehovah's Witnesses?

by BlackSpirit in

jesus christ, the son of the most high god, jehovah has this to say: "if the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.

if you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own.

now because you are no part of the world, but i have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.

blankspace

@BlackSpirit - Try to have original thoughts and don't just copy and paste from literature. Oh wait! I just realized that you're not supposed to have original thoughts because that's (gasp) "independent thinking".

Just because a religious group is persecuted doesn't mean they are right. The Jews were given multiple chances to get their act together but when they didn't, they were rightly given over to the nations to be punished. Was this fair? Definitely.

Now coming to JWs. I personally believe in the core teachings of the JWs but I disagree with the nonsense they do. Are they the true religion? Let Jehovah decide. Why are they being persecuted?

Option A: They are the truth.

Answer: Leave it to Jehovah and stay out of it. Remember what happened to Uzziah.

Option B: They are reaping what they sowed just as ancient Israel got it.

Answer: Don't get in the way of Jehovah's punishment or else you will get caught in the middle too.

I believe it's the latter. I'm PIMO, staying undercover with the front of an uberdub so that I can watch what happens from the frontlines.

By the way, I don't think you can count your time on this forum. Try to meet your pioneering hours some other way.

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Child trafficking issues in India

by MaxPayne in

this is the message that was posted on the jw inbox announcements tab.

i have copy pasted it as it was.

if anyone from india has any information related to this, please do share.. regards.. urgent: child trafficking accusations.

blankspace

Oops. My bad! I got so caught up with writing that I gave too much away. Thanks for the heads-up @LoisLane.

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This is getting annoying!

by blankspace in

there are some jws that are downright annoying!

check out the comments in the link to this article.. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/techie-jumps-to-death-from-bengaluru-workplace/articleshow/64549735.cms.

i would love to post a comment to his comment, drawing attention to child abuse, the arc, un affiliation and much more, but i've got to sign in to comment.

blankspace

There are some JWs that are downright annoying! Check out the comments in the link to this article.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/techie-jumps-to-death-from-bengaluru-workplace/articleshow/64549735.cms

I would love to post a comment to his comment, drawing attention to child abuse, the ARC, UN affiliation and much more, but I've got to sign in to comment. And the news site asks me for too much information - not comfortable with giving it at this point. If any POMOs would like to, do post your comments on my/our behalf. I'm sick and tired of seeing such comments from JWs wherever they can sneak a word in. They try to take the limelight away from the actual news and make it all about themselves.

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LEAKED: HuB Project 2018 [4 parts + 3 sub-videos]

by Fay Dehr in

https://youtu.be/q5vy2teaiuo.

leaked: hub project 2018 [part 1 of 4] https://youtu.be/q5vy2teaiuo.

leaked: hub project 2018 [part 2 of 4] https://youtu.be/8mjfucowkos.

blankspace

I had a short-term project with a computer department at one of the branches. I can't say which one because lurkers from within can track me easily. They take ages to implement something. It has to go through so many channels and there's always someone to shoot it down. The internet sucks. Nothing is free from monitoring. And new technologies are never implemented unless there's a legal need - and even then there's always some sort of spiritual twist to it. One of the worst types of people to deal with is a self-righteous, misogynistic techie.

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Child trafficking issues in India

by MaxPayne in

this is the message that was posted on the jw inbox announcements tab.

i have copy pasted it as it was.

if anyone from india has any information related to this, please do share.. regards.. urgent: child trafficking accusations.

blankspace

Chipping in to add my mite here. India has a massive problem with rape, shoving cases under the carpet and victimizing victims. Most victims hesitate to go to the police even if they are told to, because of social stigma. Add to this equation instances of elders and even circuit overseers discouraging victims from going to the police or even from getting therapy because "therapists can use sorcery on people".

The cases I've mentioned earlier are on file at the branch office. Sadly, those papers lie dusty in a corner along with the many others that have been sidelined. In fact, the bethelite who molested the girl I wrote about - he's been assigned to serve in a sign language group in a remote part of the country. He confessed to abusing a child in the past, but that was covered up and he's not even on the list. I shudder to think what's going to happen to the many kids he comes in contact with - worse still, the deaf ones! The CO, by the way, is back and still among kids.

The good news is that there is a group of PIMOs in India who are putting together a list of cases to present to the media. Going to the judiciary in India doesn't help as much as going to the media, and hence this move. As far as I am aware, this group is having a hard time convincing victims to testify. To begin with, there is the problem of social stigma even if you're not a JW. So if it's known that a boy or girl was abused, they become "used goods" here. The girl's life is over and the boy is labeled as being weak. In addition to this, if you're a JW, you lose your family if all are in. India has a lot of joint families and family closeness counts. Losing this can have a larger impact than it could have in more developed countries. And if your family isn't part of the congregation, you'll anyway be tormented with people saying "we told you so". India doesn't have a proper system of therapy or emotional aid for victims. A person who visits a therapist is labelled "insane" - that's probably why you've got so many crazies both in and out of the organization.

With all of these factors against the victims, it's generally a trend to try to just bury the past, pretend it didn't happen, and move on. I'm not sure how successful the group will be, but I guess if they get at least one victim to testify, that will be a gamechanger.

With this being said, there's been a spurt fake videos that have gone viral - these videos claim that there are child traffickers in the area. Because of these videos, there've been a number of lynchings and deaths of innocent people. This has especially happened in villages - they didn't even spare an older woman. Now since JWs go out in twos, they look pretty suspicious. And since they're urged to speak to even little children, they look even more suspicious. I believe they've come under the scanner primarily because of this. I don't think there's trafficking in India but there definitely is a lot of child abuse in the organization. I'll anyway check with a source at the local branch office and try to find out what's happening.

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Child Abuse issues in India

by MaxPayne in

any jw's ex or pimo ones aware of child abuse cases in india.

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if there would be seems like they would conceal it alot in india.

blankspace

I'm personally aware of cases in India that have been hidden. One was hidden for 15 years. When it came into the open, the circuit overseer who was the perpetrator was disfellowshipped. That's it.

Another kid I know was accused of lying. Yet another was molested by her father's bible study conductor. And a person in authority told me that there are many cases that are coming out and some are especially gruesome.

Another case was hidden for years although the family kept asking for help. One circuit overseer said that nothing could be done because there weren't two witnesses. He suggested reading of the magazines to improve her spirituality. Another circuit overseer was angry when he got to know of the abuse because it messed up his plans for the visit. Nothing was done. The kid was sent back to live with the abuser for 7 years. Much later someone who knew about the case and couldn't stay silent anymore wrote to the branch. The kid was grilled on what had happened, made to relive the ordeal to three men. The perpetrator cried a lot, which seemed to signify repentance. He was publicly reproved. And the kid was sent back to live with him till she broke free years later and moved away from home. Fastforward a few years later and the same kid becomes a regular pioneer and joins bethel. Her abuse damaged her emotionally. I've met her on a short project at bethel. She comes off as a tomboy, intelligent girl, compassionate and loving. But she's never been able to express her emotions. I've never seen her cry. Once she said that she cannot scream when attacked. A bethelite molested her on a bus and then confessed to the elders with lots of tears. He was let off because he cried a lot. She was sent out of bethel and had restrictions put on her because she didn't scream when attacked and she didn't cry to the elders. They didn't stop to think of her history. I lost contact with her after she left bethel but I heard she survived.

There are quite a few more that have come into the open. None have been reported to the authorities.

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Funny News From My Old Congragation - Elder Fight!

by pale.emperor in

i haven't stopped laughing since i heard this.

a pimo in my last congregation told me that an elder has been removed from his elder position.

apparently he grabbed another elder by the throat, put him up against a wall in the back room and punched him in on the nose... during an elders meeting on thursday evening after the meeting.. the congregation were running round like headless chickens wondering what to do?

blankspace

The congregation that I grew up in had elders brawling in a open parking lot behind the kingdom hall...even while the meetings were on. This was back in the 80's. The reason? Some elders misused donations and the poor accounts servant found out about it. When he highlighted it, they beat him up, and beat up the other elders too who tried to stand up for him. My dad is now pomo. I'm still pimo, mainly for family and because I haven't had the courage to make a clean break yet. I'm a born-in, and my entire family and my husband's family are all still in. They've seen the crap within the organisation but they are sorta stuck for life. So I'm holding on until that "generation" (not the overlapping one) passes away. But yes, elder brawls are more common than are commonly known.

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The book burning has started

by pale.emperor in

don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.

the ms who's been given the task is a company man.

no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.

blankspace

My parents and I have overlapping lifespans. But this does NOT mean we're of the same generation. That's the reason why we're said to have a GENERATION GAP, especially when we don't see eye to eye on stuff.