minimus--------I was 9
HELL!
Pete Zahut
I knew a sister who was a few weeks pregnant when she was baptized so I'm guessing her child must have been the youngest.
OK - You won!---Does that mean that child can be disfellowshipped
pistolpete
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What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?
by Ultimate Axiom inthe youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.
although i was only six years of age…”.
i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.
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Looking back a year at Covid
by pistolpete inmarch of last year covid was declared a pandemic that would take hundreds of millions of lives world wide.. here are the facts after a year.. the world population is 7,800,000,000 (billions).
114,770,269 millions of people have caught the virus as of today.
aprox 91 million recovered from the virus,.
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pistolpete
Brock Talon;Trying to snarkily dismiss this as a "conspiracy" is lazy and dishonest.
You just described the reality of the human species. That is the reason why we have religions like the Watchtower, Scientology, The People's temple. etc.
That's why people in the past people succumbed to dictators like Hitler, Stalin, etc. That' why we had riots and destruction of hundreds of millions of property damage and no one did a thing about it.
That's why Congress is passing all these laws that basically steal the Tax Dollars and Human rights of American Citizens and no one has any idea what's going on.
The masses are lazy and dishonest and won't take the time to take a hard look and research what's really going on. As a result sooner or later Dictators arise and genocides take place.
The world would be so much better if all people got involved and stopped all the lying and fraud done by the leaders that are voted in to lead.
This World Wide lock down could have ended just a couple of months after it started if people would have taken the time to do something about it. Remove the politicians who imposed it.
“All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.”
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Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Wrong Regarding Staying Out of Politics?
by minimus inwe were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.
if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.
we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.
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pistolpete
If Trump runs against Biden in 2024---------- and;
Biden promises to disband Jehovah's Witnesses for good.
But;
Trump promises to support Jehovah Witness and give them lots of tax money for Kingdom Interest.
Will Jehovah Witnesses Vote in 2024???
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Should I continue to help an "unbelieving" husband?
by RiverPeace ini know there are a lot of 'wise heads' out there on this forum - so i would appreciate your suggestions.. several years ago, i studied with a guy, whose wife is a jw.
(he had studied with several elders before i came along).
the study went reasonably well.
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I personally feel he is (understandably) torn between his wife and what he knows to be the real truth about WT.
Me personally, getting in the middle of a husband and his wife over religious belief is disaster waiting to happen. You sent him information from jwfacts and that's plenty of direction for a big boy to start researching on his own.
Plus he already told you;
but rather forcefully, told me not to send anymore anti-JW stuff.
Let him discuss the bible with his wife and deal with it that way. He's not a little kid that needs someone to hold is hand.
I would just call it a day and avoid situations that might cause you unnecessary Drama.
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Masks Are Coming Off
by minimus ina number of states are allowing people to not wear a mask.
some think this is disastrous!
what’s your view?.
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pistolpete
When anyone dies, the Democrats will blame the conservative Governor, and if it's a liberal Governor, they will blame Trump.
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Looking back a year at Covid
by pistolpete inmarch of last year covid was declared a pandemic that would take hundreds of millions of lives world wide.. here are the facts after a year.. the world population is 7,800,000,000 (billions).
114,770,269 millions of people have caught the virus as of today.
aprox 91 million recovered from the virus,.
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FedUpJW
Centers for Disease Control reporting protocol requires that anyone who tested positive for COVID-19 within 30 days of their death be included in these numbers
You are correct FedUPJW
Here is what CDC says on how one determines what a person dies off.
Basically they leave it up to the physician or other certifier to use their judgement on what to write on the Certificate. But it's almost impossible to be absolutely sure what the person died of when considering the elderly. The past couple of weeks tons of counties across the USA are being exposed that many of their hospitals have lied regarding the real cause of deaths on the supposed "Covid" Deaths. It's possible that the actual number of Covid deaths in the USA is off by 50%
Quote CDC:
Because there are no objective measures of what caused a person’s death, cause-of-death statements are a medical opinion. Even an autopsy may not reveal an obvious cause of death, and the certifier must still decide which conditions to report as causes of death on the death certificate. When laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or unavailable, certifiers determine and report the causes of death on the death certificate based on medical history, medical records, autopsy report (if available), and other relevant sources of information. The physician or other certifier should always use his or her best medical judgment in determining and reporting the cause(s) of death on death certificates. It is the certifier’s responsibility to make these determinations.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/faq.htm#CertifyingDeathsDuetoCOVID19
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Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors
by yalbmert99 inaustralia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.
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pistolpete
The Watchtower organization incorporated is not the same organization as the bygone years of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
The world publicly entered the internet age in 1993. From that day forward the Watchtower started losing power. Now we have social media, SJW, Cancel culture, that will blow the WT away in an instant if they don't summit to the powers that are.
The Watchtower now only has control of a few members who are on the verge of finally dying off. All the WT is doing now is trying to survive as long as they can.
They don't pose any real threat in the world. Their 15 minutes of fame is up.
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Looking back a year at Covid
by pistolpete inmarch of last year covid was declared a pandemic that would take hundreds of millions of lives world wide.. here are the facts after a year.. the world population is 7,800,000,000 (billions).
114,770,269 millions of people have caught the virus as of today.
aprox 91 million recovered from the virus,.
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Brock Talon
Well put! 👍👍
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What JW Subjects Interest You The Most On This Site? What Doesn’t??
by minimus ini like subjects that delve into the history of the religion and proofs that the witnesses are not the true religion.
i’m not so much into apologists saying we need to go to meetings, especially if the poster looks like a scammer trying to get ex jws going.
what subjects interest you ?
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LongHairGal
With regard to retirement, most people are grateful that they can retire at ALL when they reach actual retirement age and thankfully I planned for this and never listened to anybody’s foolish talk to the contrary!
LongHairGal, I know many single jw ladies who are in their 70s and working at whatever. Some never got married, some got married and got divorced, and some got married and their husbands passed. I feel sorry when I see them cleaning a office at night. No 70 year old lady should have to do that. But that is the price for continuing in the WT religion even when all the signs are there that it’ a sham. Good thing you got out in time.
On the other side of the spectrum I have met many single non-jw ladies who worked hard all their life. They never depended on a man to care for them. They got their hands dirty, and did whatever they had to when they were young and are now living a nice comfortable life enjoying their retirement. This is what we as humans need to do. We can't depend on another human, (husband or wife) to care for us. We have to look for ourselves and put that responsibility on our own shoulders.
The Watchtower teaches their members that Jehovah will care for their needs if they put the organization first. That is so dangerous and many are paying the price now that they are in their golden years. Sad!!!!!
My situation was the result of being forced to choose what kind of life I wanted to live. Of course I was born in a different situation than most of the posters here. They for the most part didn’t have access the internet.
But I was born in the internet age. I had access to everything by the time I was 5 years old. By the time I was 10 and attending the jw meetings, I was looking up Watchtower, 607, 1914, and the Bible on the internet. By the time I was 13 I knew the Watchtower was all a sham. By the time I was 15 years old, I knew my family was never going to leave the religion. By the time I was 16 I knew I had a choice to make when I turned 18.
Live the life of a JW which was based on falsehood and keep my family
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Chose a life that I believed was normal and would make me happy.
I choose to leave my jw way of life which included my family and jw friends. I even had a jw girlfriend.
The internet guided my road to success.
I was young and strong, so I worked several part time jobs and went to school part time. I lived in shitty apartments for about 10 years. Bought a junky car for $400. It had bundle on the doors and fenders, and I kept buying used tires for about 10 dollars a pop for the next 10 years.
I stayed away from girls. Because I learned on the internet that girls lead to sex, and sex leads to children and children lead to responsibilities, and child caring leads to 20 or more years of caring for children and that is a good way to derail a plan of getting a good education and getting financially stable for the rest of your life.
My first degree was in business. This is where I learned about what it takes to be a business owner. I took extra classes – no credit – on political science- and Science courses.
I took a job as a plumber’s helper, unclogging nasty toilets and digging ditches and all the nasty stuff that the master plumbers wouldn’t do.
My boss saw that I was a hard worker and dependable so he slowly started showing me how to weld, some electrical, some construction, and some HVAC.
Long story short, I eventually got my master’s plumber license, my Boss sold his business and retired, I started my own business. Most of the businesses already knew me so they signed contracts with my company. I had to start hiring master plumbers quite quickly. I got contracts with many corporate companies.
My plumbing business extended to construction. Some companies wanted me to do their HVAC so I sub-contracted HVAC contractors and made money of them.
And ironically I didn’t lose my jw family.
I think a lot of it was meeting the right people at the right time.
Isn’t that how this crazy life works.
But also planning, sacrificing, and working hard was involved.
Just read the story of how Justin Bieber got started. He is a few years younger than me and his net worth is about 284 MILLION. All because “Someone” saw him on YouTube, reported him to Ellen. Ellen had him on TV. Some saw him on TV and the rest is history.
Now imagine Justine Bieber was a Jehovah Witnesses. Right now he would be writing letters and attending ZOOM meetings. And his net worth would be about $5 since he would be a Regular pioneer.
Life is crazy isn’t it, But it’s crazier if you stay in the Watchtower religion. No Retirement!
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What JW Subjects Interest You The Most On This Site? What Doesn’t??
by minimus ini like subjects that delve into the history of the religion and proofs that the witnesses are not the true religion.
i’m not so much into apologists saying we need to go to meetings, especially if the poster looks like a scammer trying to get ex jws going.
what subjects interest you ?
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Pistol, if JW Subjects bore you why are you here? Just asking
I like the drama on here on political subjects because many of the posters are not from the USA yet they are affected emotionally, maybe otherwise by what happens here. I find it fascinating that they have strong opinions on Trump, Biden, Conservatives and liberals in our Country. Yet they don't live here.
Since I've been here, I had no idea others countries had strong opinions on our freedom to have Guns, and the misinformation that the USA is like the wild wild west with hundreds of millions of murders.
I didn't know about their health care system, their immigration policies, their problems. Just reading some of their experiences makes me grateful for what I have because of living in what I believe is the greatest country in the world.
What I've come to find out since reading some post on this sub is that I really had no idea what other people in other countries thought about us here in the USA. I had no idea about the problems they faced. I'm trying to expand my knowledge of other countries and people because honestly I was very ignorant of what was happening in other parts of the world.Still am.
Now for the first time in my life I'm looking at news outside my county and it's hard for me to believe that some of the stuff happening in others places is actually real. But it is real.
But jw stuff-------LOL----They are only .001 of the population. I doubt they will be around in 40 or 50 years. They pose no real threat, they are on the decline, and the only ones holding the fort are those 60 years of age an up. The young ones couldn't care less about doctrine. Most of them figure out 607, 1914, last days, etc by the time they are 13 years old. And they do it using the internet and common sense. Plus there are tons of YouTubers who have something to say about the Watchtower.
The main concern of born in jws is not whether the Watchtower is God's Channel, but instead it is HOW DO I GET OUT AND TAKE CARE OF MYSELF ONCE I REACH 18 YEARS OF AGE.
Exjw reddit has over 60,000 jws most of them under 18 years of age. Their main concern is how to leave and afford college and a place to live. Not doctrine. Most already know the bible is not God's word, just a collections of ancient books.
That's basically it.