Posts by pistolpete

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Is the door to door preaching work not the primary focus anymore?

by pistolpete in

a few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the co, why jehovah would allow the door to door preaching work, to come to an abrupt end.

this was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.. the co told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the governing body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.. my uncle asked; “what do you mean?”.

co said; “focus on the wt study articles in the coming months” .

pistolpete

Didn't they teach all the members in the 70s-80s that the preaching work was what made a person a Jehovah’s Witness - and that all truly dedicated baptized members were meant to save lives?

Now they’re saying God just wants the members to be busy----------- as a test.

That’s HUGE!

. Only Jehovah’s witnesses are saved at Armageddon ----because they DID WHAT THEY WERE TOLD BY GOVERNING BODY!

THE PREACHING IS USELESS NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXPECT ANYONE TO RESPOND ANYMORE.

Of Course we all know that no one is responding because of all the Child sexual Abuse in the organization.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/pbworu/is_it_just_me_or_are_they_really_pushing_the_idea/

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Is the door to door preaching work not the primary focus anymore?

by pistolpete in

a few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the co, why jehovah would allow the door to door preaching work, to come to an abrupt end.

this was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.. the co told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the governing body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.. my uncle asked; “what do you mean?”.

co said; “focus on the wt study articles in the coming months” .

pistolpete

A few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the CO, why Jehovah would allow the Door to Door Preaching Work, to come to an abrupt end. This was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.

The CO told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the Governing Body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.

My Uncle asked; “What do you mean?”

CO said; “Focus on the WT study articles in the coming months”

I thought the CO was just bullshitting my Uncle. But lately there has been a lot of talk over on reddit about this very thing.

A few days ago one poster said this about the Latest Watchtower Study article, implying that the preaching work is actually----USELESS BECAUSE JEHOVAH ALREADY KNOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO RESPOND ANYMORE.

What do you all think? Is NEW LIGHT BEING INTRODUCED?

QUOTE FROM REDDITOR.

Is it just me or are they really pushing the idea that the ministry is completely useless? And the idea that God is asking millions of people to do something utterly pointless.

The only outcome is that a person is recognized as “following instructions”.

Here is the latest WT Study article that seems to be slowly introducing the idea that the Preaching Work is NOT ABOUT SAVING PEOPLE ANYMORE.

Everyone that is going to be saved ----is already in the ARK of SALVATION.

COULD THIS BE A PRELUDE TO GETTING RID OF DOOR TO DOOR PREACHING WORK??

REMEMBER HOW THEY SLOWLY INTRODUCED THE GENERATION CHANGE!

October 2021 Watchtower study edition ------Do Not Give Up!

11 Early witnesses of Jehovah faced unresponsive listeners. For example,

Noah was “a preacher of righteousness,” likely for decades. (2 Pet. 2:5) No doubt, he hoped that others would respond favorably to his preaching, but Jehovah gave no such indication.

Rather, when instructing Noah to build the ark, God said: “You must go into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you.” (Gen. 6:18)

And considering the dimensions and capacity of the ark that God told him to build, Noah may have realized that any response to his preaching would be limited. (Gen. 6:15)

As matters turned out, NOT ONE PERSON FROM THAT VIOLENT WORLD RESPONDED TO NOAH'S PREACHING.

(Gen. 7:7) Did Jehovah view Noah as a failure? Not at all! In God’s eyes, Noah was a successful preacher because he faithfully did what Jehovah had asked him to do.—Gen. 6:22.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2021/Do-Not-Give-Up/

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Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval

by PaddyTheBaddy in

great news.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254.

pfizer's two-dose covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the us food and drug administration (fda) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation.. .

the vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation.

pistolpete

The link doesn't work SB. Here is another article with the same news

Bannon asked, is the "authorized" vaccine now ready to be administered to patients?

"It's absolutely not available," Malone explained.

"The little trick that they've done here is that they've issued two letters, separate letters for two separate vaccines. The Pfizer vaccine which is what is currently available, is still under emergency use authorization, and it still has the liability shield."

I've heard this before; Two separate letters ONE FOR THE ELDERS AND ONE FOR THE PUBLISHERS.

He said, "The product that's licensed is the BioNTech product which is substantially similar but not necessarily identical. It's called Comirnaty … and it's not yet available. They haven't started manufacturing it or labeling it and that's the one that the liability waiver will no longer apply."

He said. "So the one that's actually licensed is not yet available and when it does become available it will no longer have the liability shield."

https://dailyangle.com/articles/stunner-expert-says-fda-approved-pfizer-shot-is-not-what-people-have-been-getting

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How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

by pistolpete in

here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

pistolpete

So I've talked to some JWs that are still in and are faithful.

They see the news on all the child abuse in the organization,

they are aware of the overlapping generation,

the know that the generation that would never die has died.

They can see that the door to door work has stopped for almost two years

. They see with their own eyes that all the books and magazines are almost at a complete stop.

Yet they tell me-------"This just means that were are REAL CLOSE TO THE END"

Perhaps the JW lawyers are of the same mind-set!

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How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

by pistolpete in

here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

pistolpete

The WT lawyers aren’t generally criminal defense lawyers, they are corporate and civil law professionals and there the question isn’t who is guilty of a crime, but how much, if any, damages are due to the mistakes made in the organization they represent.

Interesting!

I guess in a way, that softens the conscience and allows those lawyers working the case to sleep better at night.

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How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

by pistolpete in

here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

pistolpete

In case you all wanted to know what is going on with Watchtower Lawsuits and the Millions they are paying now, here is a brief summary of current lawsuits.

Perhaps this will be the reason why thousands of Kingdom Halls are being sold and the constant begging for more money from the members.

John-Redwood

There are so many, it's hard to know where to begin.

First, many cases are being settled that we will never hear about, because they never made it to a public court filing. It would be impossible to know the extent of these settlements because they always come with non-disclosure agreements. But rest assured, they are happening.

As for the litigation filed in civil courts, there's so many that it's difficult to keep up. This is especially true now that the New York Child Victims Act (CVA) 2-year window just closed- but not before a few dozen additional lawsuits were filed against Watchtower.

These will all take years to move through the judicial system, which is normal.

In Montana, Watchtower is now in settlement agreements in a major case- the Nunez case. That's a massive deal, since I'm sure most people know about the case and all the notoriety that came with it.

However there are 2 additional Montana cases happening right now involving multiple alleged elder-abusers and multiple victims. Those cases alone could cost Watchtower many millions for their negligence. Stay tuned.

In September, two elders will go to trial in Illinois for violating the mandatory reporter law on reporting child abuse. This is a ground-breaking case.

There are cases popping up everywhere, and these are not frivolous cases- they are founded on real events and facts, and Watchtower is being held responsible.

What I mentioned is just a small part of the cases we will be following very closely

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How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

by pistolpete in

here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

pistolpete

Here is a post on reddit from Mark and Kimmy O’ Donnell, from the Crusaders Documentary,

Ask us anything.

Mr. O'Donnell gives his assessment of why WT lawyers continue to defend the Child Sex Abuse cases that the Organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court. by an Organization that claims to be God's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the TRUTH. .

QUESTION from one poster.

My question is one that asks for your opinion or perhaps for you to speculate a bit but here it goes.

WT lawyers see first hand how the deception, lies, withholding facts, stall tactics and so on are commonly used in court. These lawyers are also JW elders I assume, correct?

How on earth can they see this as "giving a good witness" and how can they expect anyone witnessing this behavior think that JW's have the truth?

In addition, how can these lawyers think that this behavior is honestly showing the "Christian personality?" I would expect to see a WT lawyer pull a "Barbara Anderson" at some point and exit the organization for conscience related reason.

I guess my question is, how do you think these elders/lawyers internalize their behavior and the effect this behavior has on Child abuse victims ? To put simply, how do they sleep at night?

ANSWER from John-Redwood

This is a really great question, and I was just commenting on this on another person's question.

The JW Legal Department is managed by JW elders, of course. There's a special group of these JW lawyers handling the child abuse cases.

It's hard to say how they sleep at night. I talk about this with the attorneys who represent victims. The ones I work with are very moral and decent people who can't seem to understand why the JWs are doing what they are doing.

During one trial, a trial attorney turned to me and asked me "Why are they doing this??"

The answer is partly religious fervor- and the belief that God is backing them, and that they have the backing of the US Constitution. However they are learning that this is becoming more difficult every day.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while the Legal Department is managed by JW elders, they have FAR too many cases to handle them alone. Watchtower hires a large number of non-JW lawfirms in nearly every state to defend themselves in child abuse cases. This takes some of the pressure off the JW Legal department, but it comes at a very high price. It's taking its toll on the JW organization, as it should.

Please remember that the JWs believe that the confessional process is sacred, just like it is with the Catholic church. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 6. They believe their process is higher than secular laws. But they also use the Constitution and secular laws to their advantage whenever possible.

The problem is that we have a conflict now, where we have reporting laws, but we also have the clergy-confidentiality provisions, and the organization does not want to lose their power of confidentiality and the ability to handle judicial cases internally, including child abuse cases. They don't want to lose control of the whole process. They want to be able to disfellowship a baptized 14-year-old child if they believe the child was guilty of "willful participation" in sexual acts with an adult or even another child.

These are some of the issues in play. But yes- I am hoping we see a few Legal Department members wake up and leave. You never know...

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Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval

by PaddyTheBaddy in

great news.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254.

pfizer's two-dose covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the us food and drug administration (fda) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation.. .

the vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation.

pistolpete

I saw this on another website. It made me laugh but it's a very good question.

Is anyone able to answer this question

quote;

How did the Taliban survive a year and a half without masks? I assume they are not social distancing or doing pcr testing. Are they all vaccinated? I am guessing they are not. But they've managed to recapture Kabul and freely rule Afghanistan in the middle of a global pandemic.

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PIMO elder

by Reservations in

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friends

i’m reservations, pimo elder.

i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?

any ideas?.

pistolpete

I would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation,

WHY?

They are happy believing what they do, otherwise they would have left a long time ago.

You only have one life to live---why waste it on trying to help people who are not asking for your help. Let them live their own life and you live your own life. If they want to wake up they will.

I was raised in the religion---born in. I left home at 18 and never looked back. I have a huge family of brothers, sisters, step-brothers, step sisters, uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, and all of them were Jehovah's Witnesses.

For years they shun me. I never tried to wake them up because they were happy.

You have to admit that there is a certain calming effect that believing in a paradise earth has on the majority of Jws. That calming effect keeps them content with life. They have no desire for anything else. Why would you want to take that away from them?

It's been about 12 years since I left the WT organization and my family.

Now about 90 percent of my family have all woken up. And I did absolutely NOTHING TO HELP THEM WAKE UP.

They did it all on their own.

No frustration, no walking around egg shells, no wasting time trying to help people who are content and happy in the WT religion.

Instead I helped myself by going to school and starting a business. I just started a few more different businesses and I'm going to be 31 years old soon. I could actually retire now but I love the game and I love working.

And as for my family that use to shun me? Now they invite me for just about everything. Now they ask me sincere questions about the Watchtower religion and the bible. And they listen carefully to what I say.

I couldn't have done this if I had wasted my time staying in the Organization so as to please my family, and wasted my time trying to help them wake up.

If you have a wife and kids then do what you have to do. But don't waste your life trying to help the rest of the congregation wake up.

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Afghanistan-Kabul falls to Taliban - U.S. Embassy staff evacuated by helicopter

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

in a scene reminiscent of the fall of saigon, the usa embassy staff have been evacuated by helicopter.. for a third time in asia ( a fourth, if you count usa supported chiang kai shek's defeat in mainland china) usa supported forces have been defeated.

more than 1 trillion dollars wasted and a huge deathtoll (both sides) afghanistan is back to where it started,.

will the taliban behave differently this time ?

pistolpete

Diogenesister

By 1946, the blast heat and radiation had killed around 74,000 in Nagasaki and 140,000 in Hiroshima. Of course years later many were still dying of radiation

Here is an interesting fact that makes many exjws wish that Jehovah was true and that he was going to wipe out nuclear bombs soon.

A typical modern H-bomb has explosive power of 300,000 kilotons, about 20 times as much as the bombs used on Japan.

One bomb today could kill 2,800,000 INSTANTLY.

100 nuclear bombs could wipe out the United States population of 330 million INSTANTLY.

The rest would die off in less than a month in excruciating pain.

Considering that the USA population is not concentrated in just cities but spread out in farms also.

Russian arsenals which are bigger could be dropped over a city, and such a bomb like that can easily kill 500,000 people rapidly--in a matter of seconds. Several million more would die of radiation poisoning.

200 such bombs dropped over a range of cities and spread out farms would kill something like 100,000,000 people (out of about 300,000,000) and destroy almost all the infrastructure for energy (oil refineries, power grids,...) communications, transportation, manufacturing,... The resulting soot would probably cause cool dark weather, disrupting even what farming could be carried out without fuel, fertilizers, etc.

Radiation sickness would be widespread. Probably most of the people not killed in the initial strike would soon die.

Maybe bands of hunter-gatherers and small-scale cultivators would somehow survive. But it would be survival like millions of years ago----Cave men senerio.

This is one thing JWs are not concerned and lose sleep over. Because they believe with all their heart that Jehovah would never allow that to happen.

Yet he did allow it to happen in Japan.

Are Japanese people sub-creatures and we are not? And that's why Jehovah would never allow Nukes to hit America?

Just for calibration, the U.S. and Russia have between them some 18,000 nuclear warheads