one of my jw family member had a big get together.
he invited a lot of his jw friends.
there was teenage kids, couples, singles.
asp59
There's no Uber elders no more. Mean elders that follow GB every decision....Neither elders or co were interested in obeying. GB lost control over congregations long time ago. Everyone does what they feel like. Not even gb members can agree on things
That's actually very informative. It makes total sense and explains a lot in what is happening in the congregations.
Reminds me of what is happening in the political world.
Mean radical elders who love the power control!
one of my jw family member had a big get together.
he invited a lot of his jw friends.
there was teenage kids, couples, singles.
slimboyfat
I find it terribly difficult to gauge how many JWs truly believe it.
It's almost impossible. The organization has transitioned into situation where the entire organization is now a "Mixture" of PIMOs, PIMIs, and PIMQs.
Headquarters can't even figure out who is leaking out all the secret information into the hands of apostates like Loyd Evans.
The only thing that gives them away is their surface observable loyalty. Elders that hunt down the rule breakers = True Believers.
Those trying to fade = PIMOs
i think the first thing to consider is that it takes a while for humans to wake up to the truth.
this is not just a jw thing.
around 1600 ad, galileo challenged the catholic church's long held view that the earth was the center of our universe.
Around 1600 AD, Galileo challenged the Catholic Church's long held view that the Earth was the center of our Universe. This resulted in Galileo’s trial and in the end Galileo was forced to recant his theories and was sent to house imprisonment. Galileo never again spoke about the theory.
Finally,
in 1992, spacecraft had been launched on its way to Jupiter, the
Vatican formally and publicly cleared Galileo of any wrongdoing.
It took about 400 years for the Church to admit they were wrong.
My jw uncle who was 40 years old in 1995 told me that he knew something was up in the year 1995 when a Watchtower magazine made a hint mention of a change in the generation that would not die. He said they were now slyly changing the word “Generation” to mean something else. But they didn’t elaborate too much. He called the Circuit Overseer who was a close friend and the CO also caught the implication of what was happening but he told my uncle to wait and see if more new light would come out in the months to follow.
My uncle wrote a letter to the Society and ask what they meant in the magazine by generation and they gave him the same answer as the CO, which was to wait on the faithful slave as they would give more new light in the months to come.
So my uncle waited. And waited, And waited.
It was not until 2008 ----some 13 years later and my uncle was now 53 years of age, that new light was printed saying that "As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day "generation" of contemporaries that will not pass away "until all these things occur."
So my uncle did the same thing as before, called the CO, wrote the Society and both told him to wait on new light
Two years later 2010, my uncle was now 55 years old and another change came that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. Again my uncle Waited for more information.
Then in September 2015 my uncle finally turned 60 years of age, and was now considered “Elderly” by the young jws. He heard the JW Broadcast on jw.org explained that the generation included any anointed that Overlapped with Frederick William Franz. (They extended the end to another 80 years.😩)
At 60 years of age my Uncle found himself in this predicament. Born in the Religion, pioneered, served as MS then elder all his life, worked odd jobs all his life, and now the generation that would not die, - would die which meant----HE WOULD DIE!😩
At this point my uncle went through a mental breakdown for about a year. (which I didn’t know at the time) But now I know the whole story.
By this time my uncle had no choice but to stick it out and hope Jehovah would fix this mess.
2020, my uncle turned 65 and the pandemic closed all kingdom halls and stopped field service worldwide. My uncle stepped down as an elder, does not support the WT financially, and is officially PIMO.
2022, my uncle will get his first Social Security check in a few days. He will be 67 years old.
1969 AWAKE said “if you are a young person you will have to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things”.
Who knows how many jws are in the same shoes as my uncle. In the organization but as a PIMO and not as a true believer.
My uncle says the most he will be around is perhaps another 30 years if he is lucky and covid doesn't kill him.
In 30 years we will have a clearer picture of whether the Watchtower will survive or become a small religious cult of a few thousand believers.
It seems like it takes a while to bring down a religious cult but NOT REALLY.
What really happens is that 30 years is a life time for many. If a person is Born in, and he does all he can to be loyal to "Jehovah" and at 30 (1st stop at maturity) he becomes an elder, it only takes 30 more years and he becomes a senior.
Too late to leave at that point and lose your family, you network, and your hope.
These are the ones that will not leave. They will die in the organization whether they are true believers or not. Maybe somehow God will work it all out---they hope.
But what's the point of leaving at this point. The best part of your life is gone, the Watchtower used it all up, and nothing you do will restore your youth.
It's not that it takes long, it's that life is so short.
well don't know if this page has tread for new years predictions or with date it starts.
so might as well start now.
my new year's prediction for watchtower would be a big big sell out of kingdom hall's.
That's like McDonald's Corporate announcing that the Big Mac & French Fries won't be available for several months.
Don't say that because it's blasphemy.
one of my jw family member had a big get together.
he invited a lot of his jw friends.
there was teenage kids, couples, singles.
I’ve seen elders interrupt Zoom conversations where someone was questioning vaccine safety to say that’s not an appropriate conversation in KH breakout rooms. I know people being held back from privileges and baptism unless they turn their cameras on during the meeting. I don’t think that rule is anywhere in the elder’s published guidance, it’s a rule they made up themselves.
I agree that there are pockets or groups in which elders still have and want total control. But I believe that is not the case world wide. There is definitely a change happening in the organization. For example, on exjw reddit there are literally tons of PIMO elders posting who are confessing that they are trying to wake up as many as possible by making comments that cause questioning in the minds of publishers.
These same elders admit that they will do everything they can to not pursue judicial discipline on those who walk the thin line of rules. And they will do everything possible to not disfellowship anyone who gets involved in a disfellowshipping offense.
This change is just the beginning of what is transpiring in the Organization. There are still Old Radical - True Believes jws, who will do anything the GB says whether it makes sense or not. But those types of jws are slowly passing on.
The organization in times past was 99 percent full blown believers who would not question drinking the Kool-Aid. But those times have changed. Now the organization is a mix of True Believers and PIMOs. Which includes elders.
well don't know if this page has tread for new years predictions or with date it starts.
so might as well start now.
my new year's prediction for watchtower would be a big big sell out of kingdom hall's.
The organization is going to continue to free-fall.
More will wake up, More will leave, more will join the PIMO ranks.
The GB will continue its fear-mongering of the Last Days.
But they CAN NEVER GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
That train is long gone.
one of my jw family member had a big get together.
he invited a lot of his jw friends.
there was teenage kids, couples, singles.
RTN; Not here. Still following the isolation/mask crap. No get togethers. Any young ones who try to date are watched.
You're in a pocket of radical jw believers. These are the type of people that would Drink the Kool-aid if the Governing Body told them.
These are the type of radicals that make life a misery and burden the gullible with all kinds of rules.
one of my jw family member had a big get together.
he invited a lot of his jw friends.
there was teenage kids, couples, singles.
've noticed that JW's who are active on Facebook and Instagram seem to be fairly normal these days, but I just assumed it was because they were more laid back to begin with.I didn't realize it was more than that.
I think what's happening is that they are transitioning into the REAL WORLD.
Once these GB members die off, then they will slowly start erasing the idea of the Last days started in 1914.
Once that's gone, it will become just another Christian religion sect to join the other 40,000 who are also on the sidelines.
one of my jw family member had a big get together.
he invited a lot of his jw friends.
there was teenage kids, couples, singles.
It’s different now.
What I didn’t even consider is that they haven’t been to a kingdom hall meeting for almost two years. Everything has been Zoom and writing letters.
There is no doubt in my mind that the elders have lost a lot of control over the publishers.
The fact that there is no official meetings for field service means that there is no gossip that alerts the elders if someone is doing something bad.
There is no pressure that someone is not attending meetings or field service
A lot of the jws are getting married with non- witnessess. Many are doing their own thing and just avoid the elders.
There was two young baptized jws with their non-jw girlfriends, and no one blinked an eye. Another male baptized jw was there with his new wife who was not a JW. Two teenage jws girls were relating their stories about their non jw boyfriends.
No one made a fuss about any of this.
We talked about forbidden things like normal. Guns, politics, movies about magic, sex, violence, etc.
No one has any idea if someone goes to the hospital and takes blood.
No one cares that it’s the Last Days and no one brought up the last days. I honestly think they don’t believe anymore. Only the real old ones like 80s and up.
The organization has lost a LOT of CONTROL.
I am sure there are still pockets of true believers but I think the whole thing is changing right before our eyes.
i was curious if anyone had/has any experience with the use of colloidal silver for antibiotic and/or wound healing?
a health food store clerk recommended this in answer to my question about such.. thank you in advance.. just as a ps, i have heard about the man who turned his skin complexion blue.
apparently he ingested large amounts and applied it all over himself for an extended period.
I would just go to a doctor. The practice has worked for hundreds of millions of people.
