The smart ones are following what the society does and not what they say. Further education, real estate flipping and investing in the world having vaults full of silver bullion bars, as they know there is no end coming as the say. The big wigs at Bethel know this and plan accordingly.
Many Elders and other also know the GB are lying and they are doing what the organisation does and ignoring what they say to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh9w8zmgli0.
( starts at the 21:00 minute mark ) governing body member jeffrey winder reveals the real reason for the failed doctrines throughout the watchtower's 150 year history.
he claims that the governing body are neither inspired or infallible.. the governing body do not need to apologize for getting doctrines wrong.. the governing body ''do their best with what they have and what they understand at the time.''.
So jehovaxx reveals new light about last min door of opportunity when it’s needed?
Upto 2023 AGM Jehovaxx it was needed to make every JW think that only baptised will not be slaughtered?
so, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.
if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.
so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.
They will be burden if they didn’t plan for retirement when they were young. Mostly a burden on the state, you eventually have to stop pushing the cart and jump in the cart for others to push
I’m sure there are scriptures talking about not being a burden on others?
this thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from watchtower literature.. right now i'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in wt messages.. there is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny..
There have definitely been quotes lately that have said ‘about 1914’ instead of just saying 1914 as they always used to.
so, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.
if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.
so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.
Yes they even encourage not paying into a private pension at all. Try to opt out of it and work less hours so you don’t have to pay into it at all has been the advice for decades because you will never be old enough to need it.
now all those ones who followed that direction are a burden on others
its criminal the direction from the ‘faith slave’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh9w8zmgli0.
( starts at the 21:00 minute mark ) governing body member jeffrey winder reveals the real reason for the failed doctrines throughout the watchtower's 150 year history.
he claims that the governing body are neither inspired or infallible.. the governing body do not need to apologize for getting doctrines wrong.. the governing body ''do their best with what they have and what they understand at the time.''.
Yes the new light that this guy Br Winder is talking about is a real problem. Why would Jehovah have revealed false light in the first place?
There is a good chance that this new light 2023 they claim is from Jehovah will be updated with even more new light. That means Jehovah releases false light according to them?
why doesn’t rank and file see this?
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
Could someone please post the letters everyone is talking about?
and what is the entire story behind them?
thanks
so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
Yes that argument about Abraham being too stupid to not enough new light would apply to the GB both last and present.
So about 150years of Governing body being too stupid to have this new light. This is what they are actually saying at the 2023 AGM.
Its not only insulting to Abraham but it’s very insulting to the old GB members who have died in recent decades.
Their explanation why so much old light was wrong was because Jehovah thought the brother were too stupid to have the correct light first time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh9w8zmgli0.
( starts at the 21:00 minute mark ) governing body member jeffrey winder reveals the real reason for the failed doctrines throughout the watchtower's 150 year history.
he claims that the governing body are neither inspired or infallible.. the governing body do not need to apologize for getting doctrines wrong.. the governing body ''do their best with what they have and what they understand at the time.''.
A reasonable question would be was all the old light that has now been updated from Jehovah?
If there are current understandings that will be updated in the future then why did Jehovah update his people the wrong understandings?
https://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.
branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).
number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).
The Borg is definitely past peak in every metric. Bethel’s, Bethelites, literature published all way way down, if you saw it on a chart it would be crazy looking
next it will be pioneers, publishers, congregations, KHs. All these numbers in decline
