Posts by jemba

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Facing the elders - The right way to do it?

by mrbunyrabit in

so now you have it in your mind, that the wts are not what they say they are, they lie and what have you.. nowwwww, next time you dont go out in fieldservice, and the next time, and the next time people start to wonder.. well, time comes and you have to explain yourself to who ever.

your mom, your dad, an elder, who ever.

now you cant just go about saying, "well, one of the things is that new light is a bunch of crap, because russel predicted this in 1914 and that in 1918 and that in.....".

jemba

I agree with the other posters on 'someone asked me about.... so I had to research.'

I'm a history buff so I will have that up my sleeve for later, comparing old literature with 'new light'.

Personally I took a different tack. I had not long been affiliiated with this website and other enlightening material so I wasnt ready to tackle the lies, false doctrines etc.

But I very truthfully told my Mum when she asked about my inactivity that I had to leave due to crippling depression brought on by the massive burden of meetings, field circus, study, being treated like crap by so called friends, heaped with lots of guilt for not doing enough and fear of armaggeddon for my kids, hubby and myself. I told her of the huge weight lifting off my shoulders, my depression improving over 90% and the fact that a loving god would never want me to feel the way I did in the org. She actually accepted this explanation without getting defensive but of course had to let me know that armaggedon was just around the corner and god expects us to make sacrifices for him. I was happy with the outcome of this and didnt look like an apostate.

If anyone expresses concerns for my spirituality I tell them its never been better. I have actually not picked up a bible willingly and read scriptures ever in my life until now.

So you can always tell them that mental illness... even if you lie about it...is caused by the org's slavery.

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Sex Before Marriage

by Wishididntknow in

how many witness couples percentage wise do you think slip up and have sex before wedding day?

did you?.

jemba

Chaperones everywhere you go and the rules in our house were holding hands and sitting together at meetings only when you were engaged. A chaste kiss on the cheek allowed when the wedding date was set.

No wonder we met up in secret whenever and wherever we could. ie like the public toilets at the local park. The places we had sex were very imaginative.

When they try and control every aspect of your life you end up rebelling against it esp when the rules are so ridiculously harsh.

Weve been married for 18 years and never happier without the JW pressure.

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Sex Before Marriage

by Wishididntknow in

how many witness couples percentage wise do you think slip up and have sex before wedding day?

did you?.

jemba

My guess is about 70% dont wait.

We didnt but I was stupid and brainwashed enough to dob myself in and get disfellowshipped, Hubby was an unbaptised publisher so he was OK.

Now I have a 16yr old son its hard from my own born-in upbringing to raise him balanced with regards to sex.

Masturbation is completely normal, I would never even try and forbid that and my feeling is that you should be in a serious committed relationship to have sex with someone before marraige, esp as a teenager.

Imagine the dubs hearing me say that? lol

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Lurker's first post

by sseveninches in

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hi guys,.

i call myself a lurker, but it's really been a short time since i've known about this site...it's only been five days.

i discovered this site while doing personal research on the topics of porneia, oral sex, and mutual masturbation, and found a thread on this site about it.

jemba

Seven I am so happy for you finding out the truth about the troof early on in your life.

I was a born-in and it took me till age 37 to actually leave in my heart even though I had faded years earlier. I cannot describe the weight that lifted off my shoulders to finally tell myself I was no longer a JW.

I too was innocently researching bible doctrines when I stumbled across this site.

The majority of people here are so caring and supportive and very helpful. I found it so hard to believe that we are all the evil apostates that GB talks about.

Be ready to deal with some very strong emotions as you begin to detatch yourself from this high control group.

I started off obesessed with finding out EVERYTHING dubious about the org. I trolled the net for hours everyday reading anything JW related.

I went through denial for a while until I read so much to prove the society wrong that I had to give in to my doubts.

Then I was extremely angry that these men have controlled and in some ways ruined the lives of my family, friends and millions of others.

Finally I am often sad and sometimes angry at the org but am able to finally get on with a normal life.

I am excited for you starting your journey.

Do you think you will just fade, so you can keep a relationship with your family? That was the best way for us.

All the best Seven, hope to see some updates soon.

Jemba

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Who or what are you most angry at, when it comes to your situation in relation to JW Org?

by BreathoftheIndianNose in

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i've been receiving very bitter messages from jws i know, mostly my mother, but also others that know how to contact me electronically.

sometimes i find myself mad at her, though not displaying it.

but i know it's really not her or my fathers fault.

jemba

This thread has some fantastic comments that really make me think.

I guess its the higher ups, mostly the GB but also many elders that make me so angry.

I am also angry with my parents who choose to be blind to so many things, but esp my father who is a very bright man who researches everything. He has lots of very old JW books and I believe he has also read the finished mystery. Hes a real history buff but his eyes werent opened? I believe out of everyone I know, my dad would have the greatest cognitive dissonance. But his whole life is in the cult, hes a PO has 3 kids and their families in, plus my mum who is a sheepish follower that believes anything shes told and is not the least bit book smart.

Yet Im the 'stupid fool' that left?? wtf

The whole STUPID CULT makes me sooo ANGRY!

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New DVD "Become Jehovah's Friend"

by treadnh2o in

hey peeps,.

it's been a long while since i've posted (i am completely out - wife and kids still in) but thought you might this interesting.. they came home from the district convention yesterday with the new dvd intended for kids.

they popped it in right away and this is what happens:.

jemba

btw there is def plenty of money to be made out of this el cheapo dvd, if it costs 50c to make the dubs will be giving at least $10 average for it out of guilt, it would have been made out of free labour. Maybe we should all go to conventions and get as many as possible and destroy them. Ive given way too much money over the last 30+ yrs, time to get some back.

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New DVD "Become Jehovah's Friend"

by treadnh2o in

hey peeps,.

it's been a long while since i've posted (i am completely out - wife and kids still in) but thought you might this interesting.. they came home from the district convention yesterday with the new dvd intended for kids.

they popped it in right away and this is what happens:.

jemba

I think its hilarious how 'treadns' kids took one look and one by one left the room. It shows that it is just not exciting enough for them.

What next? The Preaching game for xbox. The game asks you where youd like to go preaching today? Street witnessing, the winner has the most placements, a bible study gets you the ultimate points! The levels are publisher, bapt dub, piosneer, ms, elder, co, do, bethelite etc. Yeah I think thats a good idea for a new release. Ill have to talk to microsoft.

Im so glad my kids are no where near this shite. They should be embarrased, preying on the most vunerable people to brainwash. I couldnt even get to lesson 2 it was too sickening and creepy.

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Downloadable leaflet "Highlights From The Finished Mystery"

by cedars in

i've just finished my fourth and final "under the microscope" series of articles in which (hopefully) i've debunked many of the arguments often put forward by those claiming that jehovah's witnesses must be god's sole channel of communication with mankind.. this latest article focusses mostly on "the finished mystery" and the many errors contained therein that prove it couldn't possibly have been approved by christ when he was ostenisbly selecting the bible students as his chosen earthly representatives in 1919. i would like to thank and acknowledge alfred as being a huge help in compiling a list of key "highlights" of the book that serve to expose it for what it really is - a total work of fiction and absurdity.. shortly before alfred left this forum, we discussed the possibility of using his list to produce a special leaflet that people could print out themselves and insert in their "revelation climax" books, or "revelation climax" books belonging to family members.

i'm delighted to announce (with my best sunday afternoon convention speaker voice!

) that this leaflet is now ready, and available for download on the links below:.

jemba

Awesome stuff Cedars, once again. Thankyou for all your hard work and dedication put into opening the eyes of JWs and educating us who have left.

I think Ill letter box drop these to some of the crazy uber dubs in my area.

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Kids on Leashes at Conventions.

by Diest in

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did you ever see those parents with kids on leashes at conventions?

i always disliked it and thought it was wierd/lazy...granted i have never been a parent so maybe i dont know.

video reminded me how silly/messed up those leashes are.. .

jemba

My second son was very active and a runner so we had to use one on him at shopping centres.

He quickly got around it though by throwing himself on the floor as soon as we put it on him.

One day after picking him up half a dozen times I gave the harness a tug as I was telling him to get up and some stupid old guy comes up and says 'hes not a dog you know'. I never used it again.

They are a good safety device when used properly.

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Have the WTBS pretty much declared theocratic and mental war on ex-jehovahs witnessses?

by Joliette in

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in light of a lot of the watchtower's kool aid articles.

jemba

Unlike agent smith or father O'Flarety the apostate can hide as your husband, your favorite elder even...

Even ElderElite?