Posts by JoenB75

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Is this 2034 date actually something the cult put out?

by mickbobcat in

so i have heard this 120 preaching time and 2034 end date.

are they pushing another set time of is this something someone else came up with?.

Please Keep Your Religion Out Of My Mouth

by OnTheOutside in

i came across this article about a dental technician forcing her religion down a patient's throat (literally).

turns out the technician is a jw.

it would appear she can count her time preaching to a captive audience and being paid on the job.

I remember a few taxi drivers over the years, who used unpleasently loud gospel music as a means to start a religious conversation. I was later told they could get into trouble if I called the office and complained but of course as a strong free speech believer, I did not do that. I told them to turn down the volume and we talked

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Thinking of Joining Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

are you thinking of joining jehovah's witnesses?.

then watch this short video.. https://youtu.be/ppynyynb_ak.

JoenB75

I suppose a major motivation to join is the belief in jw being Bible truth. So to convert potential I would show the shortcomings of both JWism and orthodoxy socalled. Then they will godwilling be ready for Modalist Preterist Universalism

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Biden will never be President

by Vanderhoven7 in

here is an interesting take.. https://www.facebook.com/pastorlocke/videos/2885572641768280/.

JoenB75

Vanderhoven7, I hope you are right. I cant wait to see the reaction of all the liberals around the globe

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Biden will never be President

by Vanderhoven7 in

here is an interesting take.. https://www.facebook.com/pastorlocke/videos/2885572641768280/.

JoenB75

Deus vult, minimus. Deus vult

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Biden will never be President

by Vanderhoven7 in

here is an interesting take.. https://www.facebook.com/pastorlocke/videos/2885572641768280/.

JoenB75

American vision with Gary Demar is my favourite Christian right source on politics ☺️. The pastor's advice will be needed in picking up the pieces

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why are all pictures of heaven in wt all white males?

by Yomama in

jw
friends

is that the ultimate for anyone going to heaven?.

JoenB75

Maybe the old GB guys believe in the curse of Ham or simply the concept that heaven is light and the great White throne

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Serial killer JW hopes to go to heaven soon.

by Lost in the fog in

guess that is the sort of person being attracted to the truth these days!.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-thinks-22976938.

JoenB75

"The source added Sutcliffe believed all Jehovah’s Witnesses are guaranteed a place in heaven regardless of their past." This must be new light or he is not entirely instructed in "accurate knowledge"

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

JoenB75

Hi Sea Breeze,

If our destiny is not to be like angels, why is Jesus saying:

Mark 12:25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Orthodoxy socalled, wants 1 Corinthians 15 to deal with the body only. But as we see in the early passages of the chapter, the soul is lost without the resurrection he speaks so. So he is not appearing to believe in the existence of disembodied spirits like orthodoxy socalled (and JW regarding the 144,000 I think). There is a heavenly body (1 Cor 15:40). The Christian faith is of no use if man is not raised. The saints were not partying in "the good part of Hades" (Luke 16) that is just a symbolic presentation of the judgment upon Israel AD 33-70. As the more liberal and famous Greek scholar William Barclay recognises, Paul is speaking of the holistic existence of man. It is not so complicated to Paul (albeit miracolous), man is now corruptible but will become incorruptible:

"But Paul never said that we would rise with the body with which we died. He insisted that we would have a spiritual body. What he really meant was that a man's personality would survive. It is almost impossible to conceive of personality without a body, because it is through the body that the personality expresses itself. What Paul is contending for is that after death the individual remains. He did not inherit the Greek contempt of the body but believed in the resurrection of the whole man. He will still be himself; he will survive as a person. That is what Paul means by the resurrection of the body. Everything of the body and of the soul that is necessary to make a man a person will survive, but, at the same time, all things will be new, and body and spirit will alike be very different from earthly things, for they will alike be divine. "

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/dsb/1-corinthians-15.html

Kurt Simmons and Ed Stevens also wrote about this, from a more conservative perspective, to the Preterist community:

http://www.preteristcentral.com/With%20What%20Body%20Do%20They%20Come%20-%20A%20Look%20at%20the%20Resurrection.html

"The eschatological Resurrection of the last day consisted in the spirits in Hades receiving individual, spiritual, immaterial, immortal, and invisible bodies suited to the ethereal realm above. Other views are unsound, and should be rejected."

As for your other quotations, Jesus was raised in his body for a sign of Israel. It is specifically said in Psalm 16:10 that his body would not rot. Like water baptism, it was for signs. Our body rot. Different story. Revelation is all hyper symbolic stuff taking place in the first century, maybe a tiny bit takes place later

Your rendering of 1 Corinthians 15:16-17 is corrupt.

Hope this helps / clarifies

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

JoenB75

1 Corinthians 15 is pretty clear that the destiny of man is to have an incorruptible heavenly / angelic body