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  Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

  by EdenOne in

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  2. bible

  i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

  knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

  meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

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  JoenB75

  Vanderhoven,

  I take the book teaches conditional immortality? Funny, of all the JW like beliefs, this alone is something I have retained believing in, although I believe souls go to heaven after AD 70.
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  What JWs don't know they believe

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.

  the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.

  the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.

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  Rattigan350, the two classes doctrine is not in scripture. It was made by Russell and turned into something more sinister with Rutherford.
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  What JWs don't know they believe

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.

  the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.

  the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.

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  I recall my father having a heated argument over point 3 with some elders. Russell had two classes, but his Armageddon was not the literalist or bloody one of Rutherford. In contradiction to point 3, Rutherford had that the sheep and goats judgment concerned the second class this side of Armageddon. A lot of speculation and private interpretation behind these ideas.
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  Need help...Resurrection JW beliefs from the 50'6 and 60's.

  by Snoozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was talking with a gal that is most likely going back to the religion after 20 or 30 years.

  we got into a discussion about having babies after "armageddon ".

  she was talking about being normal ( she is practically bedridden but only in her 50's.

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  JoenB75

  This must be a hard one for the JWs. Jesus says the resurrected will be like angels and not marry. I dont see that fitting either of the destinies in JW beliefs. But of course they will claim that the resurrected will be like Lazarus and then have their ability to reproduce again. Not much scripture on that.
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  Where are the JWs on cross dressers?

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so if a man lets say is heterosexual, married and happy but likes to in the privacy of his own home wear women's cloths and his wife is ok with it.

  i know a person could just shut their mouth and who would know but i am talking about jw who is very concerned about telling the truth to the dubbers.

  my guess is it would not be a dfing matter but they would not be a ms or elder.

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  JoenB75

  I would be very surprised if a conservative religion like JW allow cross dressers.
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  Watchtower thoughts on Jazz

  by David.L.Henson in

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  2. friends

  women!

  don't listen to jazz!.

  "new orleans jazz has a primitive tom-tom rhythm that does a single woman's peace of mind no good, is one of the insane claims from the tower about the harmful jazz music.. the fact is - if you check up the writings of the tower - the only safe music is the "kingdom songs" - and those do kill your brain if you love music:-)) .

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  JoenB75

  thankfully you can find almost any most obscure little demo on youtube.
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  The parable of the trees! (Judges 9:8-15

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do you recall reading this passage before?

  i came across this it yesterday while preparing a bible presentation on trees.

  i had no idea this passage existed.

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  I find it pretty remarkable that the Bible does not recommend having kings ruling (1 Samuel 8).
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  Lloyd Evans keeps doing parts on how the JWs are guilty of follwing the bible.

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been watching evans videos for a while.

  he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.

  women are to be subservient to men.

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  Lloyd Evans is probably fine to watch if you are a faithless snowflake. If you are not, his constant neo-atheist attacks on God and the Bible quickly becomes old. I watched his video with Robert M Price. Although Robert does not believe, he is respectful towards faith and supports Trump. Lloyd despite his past is not.
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  Since You Have Left The Religion Are You Happier?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i realize that some activist exjws really don’t seem to be happy in life.

  they finally got away from the organization and yet seem still negatively connected to it.

  some exjws are always upset because of what the “truth “ did to their lives, which is understandable.

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  JoenB75

  I was never in the religion in the sense that I never believed in it despite my father's attempts. But I was dragged along to meetings and we waisted a lot of time there. My parents had huge mental issues that perhaps would have been helped if they had ventured on another path. One of the biggest problems about JWs and other radical cults is the parents "divine rights" to drag their children through this. It is a really a problem but so is a state powerful enough to do what in a narrow perspective might seem the right thing, take children away from JW parents. On the other had I believe in the divine right to have guns and wished all people in Europe had them. That will have victims too.
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  The Last Day

  by johnamos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  [7-1-98 wt – martha said of her dead brother, lazarus: “i know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (john 11:24) how did she know that?

  …she might even have learned this from jesus himself.

  (john 6:39 - this is the will of him who sent me, that i should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that i should resurrect them on the last day.

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  JoenB75

  It is quite remarkable that the JWs taught such an important doctrine without any Bible verse saying so. No verse says that the billions would be raised for a trial in the millenium. I suspect Revelation 20 is very misunderstood and taken too literally like old testament prophecy.