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  Why build a new movie studio when we are in the last part of the last part of the last day?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  giles gray writes: .

  if the end is so near as the jehovah’s witnesses leadership claims (somehow they must have special insight), why are they building a movie studio that will be finished in 2026?.

  it’s not the first time something of this nature has happened in the society’s history.

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  JoenB75

  From big limos to big buildings, many JWs nobodies have been shocked when confronted with the big spending and luxury of the org.
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  Professors and Students Defend Evolution

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_w9vtzj0a&ab_channel=livingwaters.

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  JoenB75

  I consider this a BS issue, the only motivation for Christian opposition to evolution is a herd mentality motivated by the question of authority and big money. As the Ham says himself, if the young people can not get their (absolute) answers from us, who can they get them from. Imagine Christians actually read biblical creation prose and eschatology with the glasses originally intended. But few understand this, both the creationists and the evil apostates have their agenda
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  Is the Bible of extraterrestrial origin?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  highly illuminating video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkhdyhmolmw.

  i thought these bible cryptologists were all nuts.

  this guy changed my mind..

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  JoenB75

  Of course we are not alone. The ideas of ancient astronaut theories are interesting and entertaining.
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  Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

  https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

  - (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

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  JoenB75

  Sea Breeze,

  God speaking does not explain how God created. The obvious point is the Bible contains no science. There is no point in trying to make up some science in the Bible. It would also be one huge book or rather library if that was the case.

  Another point is that selem in Genesis 1:26 refers to physical form/appearence regardless of tradition. As even some young earth ministries are beginning to recognise, the Bible implies we are made in the image of someones looking like us, the angels and God appearing in visible form like in Genesis 18.
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  Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

  https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

  - (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

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  JoenB75

  Funny thing about creationism is that creation in the Bible if taking literally, does not explain how God created. A man named Dick Fischer wrote a nice paper on the unbiblical nature of young earth creationism "Young-Earth Creationism: A Literal Mistake". The whole thing smells fishy to me, it is all about power and control over the congregations.
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  Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

  knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

  meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

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  JoenB75

  Vanderhoven,

  I take the book teaches conditional immortality? Funny, of all the JW like beliefs, this alone is something I have retained believing in, although I believe souls go to heaven after AD 70.
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  What JWs don't know they believe

  by StephaneLaliberte in

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  in a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.

  the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.

  the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.

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  JoenB75

  Rattigan350, the two classes doctrine is not in scripture. It was made by Russell and turned into something more sinister with Rutherford.
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  What JWs don't know they believe

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.

  the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.

  the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.

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  JoenB75

  I recall my father having a heated argument over point 3 with some elders. Russell had two classes, but his Armageddon was not the literalist or bloody one of Rutherford. In contradiction to point 3, Rutherford had that the sheep and goats judgment concerned the second class this side of Armageddon. A lot of speculation and private interpretation behind these ideas.
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  Need help...Resurrection JW beliefs from the 50'6 and 60's.

  by Snoozy in

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  was talking with a gal that is most likely going back to the religion after 20 or 30 years.

  we got into a discussion about having babies after "armageddon ".

  she was talking about being normal ( she is practically bedridden but only in her 50's.

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  JoenB75

  This must be a hard one for the JWs. Jesus says the resurrected will be like angels and not marry. I dont see that fitting either of the destinies in JW beliefs. But of course they will claim that the resurrected will be like Lazarus and then have their ability to reproduce again. Not much scripture on that.
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  Where are the JWs on cross dressers?

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so if a man lets say is heterosexual, married and happy but likes to in the privacy of his own home wear women's cloths and his wife is ok with it.

  i know a person could just shut their mouth and who would know but i am talking about jw who is very concerned about telling the truth to the dubbers.

  my guess is it would not be a dfing matter but they would not be a ms or elder.

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  JoenB75

  I would be very surprised if a conservative religion like JW allow cross dressers.