...why have you left the god and his son?.
Anna Marina, I think you misread what I say, maybe in eagerness to tell me I am wrong when I am so obviously right. God created out of chaos and so of course the Bible story is that chaos is no more when God creates. But the sea is not a creation of Genesis 1.
I think a basic problem is that religious people want to make such an naive and rather childish account complicated. As Calvin rightly said, it is the account of the unlearned. Dont make it learned.
...why have you left the god and his son?.
Anna Marina,
It is all chaos when God creates. The sea remains chaos. It is where the chaos serpent Leviathan lives Job 41, Isaiah 27:1.
...why have you left the god and his son?.
Anna Marina,
"Hugh Ross places Adam's creation between 55,000 and 230,000 years ago, it seems reasonable and probably the most scientific bet out there but it is based on the premise that Genesis 1 is history in the modern sense. I dont think it is."
I think chaosbattle. I also notice the - if taken literally - ridiculous decree that green plants will serve as food to all animals on land and in the air BUT NOT sea. Sea was chaos to the ancient Israel. God creates out of chaos. It is not difficult.
i`ll go first ,i have my vaccinated 2 jabs for the elderly.. if i`m not around in the next 3 months you will know why ..
I am generally not pessimistic about the future but I wonder in light of the tendency towards fascism an policebrutality if a new holocaust is under the way against those not vacc'ed.
...why have you left the god and his son?.
Anna Marina,
Like "all things", there is a context to "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. It is the beginning of the story of Israel, God's dealings with mankind.
Where do we get our information from. It is simple. As I said, the mere fact that the creation of angels are not mentioned should be a wake up call to the modern "Evangelical" tale. Secondly, the Hebrew text itself speaks of chaos "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep". It also speaks of rudely unscientific stuff like a sea up in the heavens.
Hugh Ross places Adam's creation between 55,000 and 230,000 years ago, it seems reasonable and probably the most scientific bet out there but it is based on the premise that Genesis 1 is history in the modern sense. I dont think it is.
...why have you left the god and his son?.
There is an so called old earth creationist called Hugh Ross who apparently rejects evolution. He says
"The most likely biblical date for the creation of Adam and Eve, therefore, would lie between 55,000 and 120,000 years ago. However, the date could be stretched as far back as 230,000 years ago".
https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/when-did-god-create-adam-and-eve
i ask this now because i have been living in this town for the past 14 years and the circle of friends i have now i have never let on i am an ex jw.. i`m talking about 30-50 people at least.. not that the subject has ever really come up , but i think they would be shocked / amazed that i was a ( i hate this word ) a "devout" jw for 32 years going around knocking on peoples doors trying to convert them to the religion .. yet every now and again i get tempted to.. how say you ?.
Im not ashamed to admit either. Although we left when I was teen, it definetly had a unfurtunate impact on us as a family and as kids. Funny thing is that as I grow older people stop asking if I am still in. Maybe it my beard and holes in the jeans
hehe I am a repeated visit or what you call it in the US, although we have only spoken in phone
...why have you left the god and his son?.
Anna Marina,
Yes. It is interesting that the creation record does not mention angels. Also there seems to be some aftermath upon chaosbattle going on. There was creation before. Genesis 1 concerns with what the ancestors of ancient Israel could see with their eyes.
...why have you left the god and his son?.
Anna Marina,
Does it not start with "in the beginning"?
