Posts by JoenB75

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God`s Creation ,if He/She had a hand in it at all ,then why ?

by smiddy3 in

every living life form on this planet survives by killing ,eating every other living life form that exists on this planet.. one life form preys on another life form for it`s survival from the most primitive to the most highest complexity.. and i mean "every" living life form from the lowest to the highest that exists in the world.. this is just the natural order of things that has been going on since man has observed his surroundings.. their is no room for a god of love in the real world.

no wonder "they" came up with the phrase "survival of the fittest ".

"every living life form on this planet survives by killing ,eating every other living life form that exists on this planet".. this cannot be denied ,it`s a universal truth.

JoenB75

Life is tough and this planet a testing ground for us humans. God's love is tough. It is believable because it matches reality and does not sound like a salesman's tale. Man or rather a substantial amount of men are bastards, and if you want examples of Godless murderers just point to Mao, Stalin and the guy that probably murdered least people of the three - ol uncle AH. I read at least one correct statement by Rutherford, men are not all equally bad or something to the like.

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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

by Revealed in

...why have you left the god and his son?.

JoenB75

Anna Marina or "Mary the Contrary",

Re Calvin why make something up when his commentary is avaible online, re Genesis 1:6; "Moses describes the special use of this expanse, to divide the waters from the waters from which word arises a great difficulty. For it appears opposed to common sense, and quite incredible, that there should be waters above the heaven. Hence some resort to allegory, and philosophize concerning angels; but quite beside the purpose. For, to my mind, this is a certain principle, that nothing is here treated of but the visible form of the world. He who would learn astronomy, (60) and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere. Here the Spirit of God would teach all men without exception; and therefore what Gregory declares falsely and in vain respecting statues and pictures is truly applicable to the history of the creation, namely, that it is the book of the unlearned. (61) The things, therefore, which he relates, serve as the garniture of that theater which he places before our eyes. Whence I conclude, that the waters here meant are such as the rude and unlearned may perceive." End quote. To the ancient idiots, how could it rain if there was no water above, very simple?

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/cal/genesis-1.html

Good short study on chaoskampf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292086738_Did_God_Create_Chaos_Unresolved_Tension_in_Genesis_11-2

"In verse 2, the description of the earth as IPDI ΙΠΓ) and the reference to DÎnn recall the idea of creation as the transformation of primordial chaos found in other Ancient Near Eastern creation myths, and elsewhere in the Old Testament. This emphasises the possibility of the return of chaos, God's ongoing power to bring order and renewal to the lives of his people, and the promise of his final eschatological victory over all that opposes him."

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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

by Revealed in

...why have you left the god and his son?.

JoenB75

Anna Marina, I think you misread what I say, maybe in eagerness to tell me I am wrong when I am so obviously right. God created out of chaos and so of course the Bible story is that chaos is no more when God creates. But the sea is not a creation of Genesis 1.

I think a basic problem is that religious people want to make such an naive and rather childish account complicated. As Calvin rightly said, it is the account of the unlearned. Dont make it learned.

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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

by Revealed in

...why have you left the god and his son?.

JoenB75

Anna Marina,

It is all chaos when God creates. The sea remains chaos. It is where the chaos serpent Leviathan lives Job 41, Isaiah 27:1.

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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

by Revealed in

...why have you left the god and his son?.

JoenB75

Anna Marina,

"Hugh Ross places Adam's creation between 55,000 and 230,000 years ago, it seems reasonable and probably the most scientific bet out there but it is based on the premise that Genesis 1 is history in the modern sense. I dont think it is."

I think chaosbattle. I also notice the - if taken literally - ridiculous decree that green plants will serve as food to all animals on land and in the air BUT NOT sea. Sea was chaos to the ancient Israel. God creates out of chaos. It is not difficult.

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Are you open to having a count as to how many ex-JW`s on this site are vaccinated x2 jabs. ?

by smiddy3 in

i`ll go first ,i have my vaccinated 2 jabs for the elderly.. if i`m not around in the next 3 months you will know why ..

JoenB75

I am generally not pessimistic about the future but I wonder in light of the tendency towards fascism an policebrutality if a new holocaust is under the way against those not vacc'ed.

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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

by Revealed in

...why have you left the god and his son?.

JoenB75

Anna Marina,

Like "all things", there is a context to "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. It is the beginning of the story of Israel, God's dealings with mankind.

Where do we get our information from. It is simple. As I said, the mere fact that the creation of angels are not mentioned should be a wake up call to the modern "Evangelical" tale. Secondly, the Hebrew text itself speaks of chaos "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep". It also speaks of rudely unscientific stuff like a sea up in the heavens.

Hugh Ross places Adam's creation between 55,000 and 230,000 years ago, it seems reasonable and probably the most scientific bet out there but it is based on the premise that Genesis 1 is history in the modern sense. I dont think it is.

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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

by Revealed in

...why have you left the god and his son?.

JoenB75

There is an so called old earth creationist called Hugh Ross who apparently rejects evolution. He says

"The most likely biblical date for the creation of Adam and Eve, therefore, would lie between 55,000 and 120,000 years ago. However, the date could be stretched as far back as 230,000 years ago".

https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/when-did-god-create-adam-and-eve

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Do any of you ex JW`s ever feel ashamed or embarrassed to admit you were once a JW? To your now friends / associates ?

by smiddy3 in

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i ask this now because i have been living in this town for the past 14 years and the circle of friends i have now i have never let on i am an ex jw.. i`m talking about 30-50 people at least.. not that the subject has ever really come up , but i think they would be shocked / amazed that i was a ( i hate this word ) a "devout" jw for 32 years going around knocking on peoples doors trying to convert them to the religion .. yet every now and again i get tempted to.. how say you ?.