Posts by JoenB75

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"Resurrection" or "Re-Creation of The Soul"? What do really JW's teach?

by EdenOne in

interesting find through a book "inside story of jehovah's witnesses" (1967) by w.c. stevenson, supposedly a former jw circuit overseer.

it's an interesting "apostate" perspective written prior to the wts 1975 debacle.. anyway, at a certain point, there's a quote from a book called "the four cults", by professor anthony a. hoekema (1963, william b. eerdmans publishing company), a calvinist, which makes some sharp remarks about the way jehovah's witnesses teach the dead coming back to life:.

1) in the case of those "resurrecting" for everlasting life on earth, one asks: if the soul is extinct at death, and the body disintegrates and its components are integrated into other forms of life, what is there to "resurrect"?

JoenB75

I think William Barclay expresses the proper biblical view, at least the one expressed in 1 Corinthians 15. It is actually quite close to the JW view although they can not use 1 Corinthians 15 for those not of the "144.000":

"For the Greek immortality lay precisely in getting rid of the body. For him the resurrection of the body was unthinkable. Personal immortality did not really exist because that which gave men life was absorbed again in God the source of all life.

(iv) Paul's view was quite different. If we begin with one immense fact, the rest will become clear. The Christian belief is that after death individuality will survive, that you will still be you and I will still be I. Beside that we have to set another immense fact. To the Greek the body could not be consecrated. It was matter, the source of all evil, the prison-house of the soul. But to the Christian the body is not evil. Jesus, the Son of God, has taken this human body upon him and therefore it is not contemptible because it has been inhabited by God. To the Christian, therefore the life to come involves the total man, body and soul.

Now it is easy to misinterpret and to caricature the doctrine of the resurrection of the body. Celsus, who lived about A.D. 220, a bitter opponent of Christianity, did this very thing long ago. How can those who have died rise with their identical bodies? he demands. "Really it is the hope of worms! For what soul of a man would any longer wish for a body that had rotted?" It is easy to cite the case of a person smashed up in an accident or dying of cancer.

But Paul never said that we would rise with the body with which we died. He insisted that we would have a spiritual body. What he really meant was that a man's personality would survive. It is almost impossible to conceive of personality without a body, because it is through the body that the personality expresses itself. What Paul is contending for is that after death the individual remains. He did not inherit the Greek contempt of the body but believed in the resurrection of the whole man. He will still be himself; he will survive as a person. That is what Paul means by the resurrection of the body. Everything of the body and of the soul that is necessary to make a man a person will survive, but, at the same time, all things will be new, and body and spirit will alike be very different from earthly things, for they will alike be divine.

https://www.dannychesnut.com/Bible/Barclay/First%20and%20Second%20Corinthians.htm

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Blacks attack Asians and other races but the fake news is silent

by mickbobcat in

the press or fake news i.e.

npr, abc,nbc,cbc, cnn, pmsnbc, all are suspiciously silent.

as blacks rampage around killing, attacking and looting the press says nothing to see here move on.

JoenB75

I wonder if these guys are particulary mentally ill or if this should rather be classified as hatecrime. The offenders in this video seems rather darkskinned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-VLDfCl5ak

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Serious bible students questions about the bible

by TTWSYF in

many jws (and others) are serious about their biblical studies, but don't ask the right questions.

in basic journalism one learns to ask the right questions which in my years here, i've never hear asked.. who, what, where, by what help, by whose help, why, how and when.

these are all basic questions when researching anything that you want to write an article or paper on what ever related subject.. who wrote/created the bible?.

JoenB75

Sea Breeze,

Seems to me John 5:39 is warning about Bible worship / fundamentalism. It existed in Jesus' days and the Americans resurrected it. The Bible is not the source of faith, the Spirit is.

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Any Old-Timers Remember this Kingdom Melody?

by Sea Breeze in

we used to sing a slow song in the late 60's and early 70's that went something like : "don't be afraid of them that can kill the body buy cannot kill the soul" .... or something like that.does anyone remember that one?.

JoenB75

Are you guys getting doctrinally rusty? Of course scripture forces JW to say we have a soul. Just not an immortal one that can live on without the body. It is the inner man etc. Therefore it is important to be in Jehovah's memory. I would imagine they think the verse in question speaks of the second death? Jehovah would raise those who accepted Jehovah's org and remained loyal as well as the ignorant masses of the the time prior to JW.org. But if you become disloyal to JW.org, then your soul is killed when you die or the great A comes

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Blacks attack Asians and other races but the fake news is silent

by mickbobcat in

the press or fake news i.e.

npr, abc,nbc,cbc, cnn, pmsnbc, all are suspiciously silent.

as blacks rampage around killing, attacking and looting the press says nothing to see here move on.

JoenB75

"Blacks are around 10 to 12 percent of the US population and commit around 40 percent of the crime. " Blacks got a problem for sure, progressive blacks have pointed out that often.

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Brigitte Gabriel's Epic Answer To "Most Muslims Are Peaceful..."

by Vanderhoven7 in

watch brigitte gabriel's epic and brilliant answer to "most muslims are peaceful...".

https://youtu.be/_z_rabojcu0.

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JoenB75

whataboutism at it's finest. We are talking present Western conditions and general character traits, not what happened with US soldiers in a cruel war.

As for Balkan and Clinton's warcrimes, I think we are taught many lies about the Serbs and we can be sure the muslisms did not hold back, as also the Balkan muslims indeed did not in their ww2 jihad.

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What would happen if the Watchtower decided no more meeting at Kingdom Halls, only Zoom?

by pistolpete in

i’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.

now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.

even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.

JoenB75

I sometimes talk to this JW lady at a certain cantina, she says they still dress up for zoom except when it comes to the shoes

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Blacks attack Asians and other races but the fake news is silent

by mickbobcat in

the press or fake news i.e.

npr, abc,nbc,cbc, cnn, pmsnbc, all are suspiciously silent.

as blacks rampage around killing, attacking and looting the press says nothing to see here move on.

JoenB75

Thankfully you guys have the FBI statistics that bluntly demonstrate the racial distinctions.

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Which English Translations of the Bible are you Favorites, and Why?

by Disillusioned JW in

which english translations of the bible are you favorites, and why?

my favorites include the (english) revised version bible (of 1881-1885) and its apocrypha (of 1898), the american revised version bible (of 1898, it close to the american standard version), the american standard version bible (of 1901), the new american standard bible - updated edition, the new revised standard version bible with the apocrypha, the complete bible: an american translation (it includes the apocrypha), and the twentieth century new testament.

i also use others beside those.. they are my favorites because i consider them to be highly accurate, and also they are either very literal (but not so literal as to be hard to understand) or they use functional equivalence.

JoenB75

NIV

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Brigitte Gabriel's Epic Answer To "Most Muslims Are Peaceful..."

by Vanderhoven7 in

watch brigitte gabriel's epic and brilliant answer to "most muslims are peaceful...".

https://youtu.be/_z_rabojcu0.

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JoenB75

JW and Muslims resemble eachother when it comes to work rightiousness. But JWs are not overly criminal compared to to other groups and they dont beat up and gangrape people in groups. I recall a case from Sweden where a girl had been raped by a large group in every bodily opening and they had also caused her significant brain damage by repeatedly smashing her head into the concrete floor. Ethnic Europeans dont do that. JWs dont do that. There is a difference.