This thread is funny, perhaps even historical. It is not everyday you see the credibility of evolution science compared to that of JW beliefs. I take it you guys are not Bible thumpers
JoenB75
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Evolution News: Humanlike Footprints in Crete Dated to 6 Million Years Ago!
by Disillusioned JW ini find it astonishing that humanlike feet could have existed that long ago.
i wonder if some non-human upright ape might have had that kind of feet that long ago.
see https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/humanlike-footprints-in-crete-dated-to-6-million-years-muddle-archaeologists-1.10301706 and https://scitechdaily.com/oldest-footprints-of-pre-humans-identified-in-crete-six-million-years-old/ .
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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JoenB75
That Russell did a lot of shopping around before he found doctrines to his liking is a down to earth story that I dont recall we ever were told. The JWs would rather imply that at the appropiate time, God raised this mighty student of the Word, "knowledge shall increase" Daniel 12:4, only to be surpassed by the modern JW.org.
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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JoenB75
Well to me the most fascinating about second chance / first real chance theology is how he and later Herbert Armstrong could teach this as a fact to his followers without explicit scriptural basis. The other basic doctrines of Russellism after all have some verses here and there that supports or appears to support them.
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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JoenB75
Vienne,
It surely is an interesting story. Also that Russell could sell this idea to fairly many people that were bible fundamentalists to some extent. I would expect to see such a vital doctrine in the Bible and critics of Russell would to this day ask; where is this in the Bible?
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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JoenB75
slimboyfat, same with John Thomas and his historicist prophecy interpretations
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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JoenB75
Vienne,
I asked on this forum where did Russell get his second chance / one real chance theology? It seems there was a small movement that argued that it would be unfair if God did not let everybody have a real chance learning and working out their salvation under perfect conditions. At the same time a strong emphasis that the few bad boys that would resist this grace, would be out of luck. The universalist movement was much bigger and produced much more books. I remember getting a link to a second chance book, but I cant remember the title now. I remember Russell in his first volume several times connects Acts 3:23 and 2 Thess 1:8-9 as "evidence" for this doctrine. The problem is of course that nothing teaches this in the Bible. I find the view in which we are currently under the new heavens and earth gospel age with Revelation 21-22 showing the aftermath of the spiritual victory of Christ and the second death (a concept John got from Egyptian mythology) being included in the death of 1 Cor 15:26 much more convincing.
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Watchtower Disparages the Bible
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..
"...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.
on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).
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JoenB75
slimboyfat,
I think they are wrong because Proverbs 8:22-31 is personifying wisdom. In 1 Corinthians 1:24, Paul personifies Jesus as God's wisdom and power. How far will you take the literalism? God the Father has no power and wisdom? Jesus is not a being / person but attributes? It is personifications. Same in John 1, the Word or words (divine/prophetic) of God are personified in the Jesus and made flesh which means a human being
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Watchtower Disparages the Bible
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..
"...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.
on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).
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JoenB75
Ever Apostate,
I know for us snake lovers this divine myth is a bit disappointing. But snakes are also put in a positive light like in Numbers 21:4-9, John 3:1-21
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Watchtower Disparages the Bible
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..
"...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.
on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).
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JoenB75
One of the first things I noticed after leaving JW and years after beginning to believe in God, is that the JWs dont read Scripture in context. The read their study books and their study books select verses from the Bible. A classic example is Proverbs 8:22-31. The strange face they put up if you succeed in making them look at the context of Proverbs 8 .
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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JoenB75
It is hardly any news that Russell got his doctrine from a handful of preachers in the Adventists family. View of the soul. Some Adventists were Arian.