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  The Deity of Jesus Christ

  by Reciprocity in

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  fair warning, i am not a jehovah's witness believer, but i am curious about what it is you believe and why you believe it.

  so i am interested in talking to you instead of reading about you from my own christian perspective.

  after all, who understands what jehovah's witness believes better than a jehovah's witness?

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  JoenB75

  1 Cor 15:40
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  The "Trinity" is not Biblical.

  by Revealed in

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  simple.. you cannot find the word there (or many of the comical variations such as: a triune godhead, the triunity, co-equal god beings, godhead, a hypostaic union, divine essences, divine natures, a god-the-son, a god-the-ghost, hypostasis, homoousios, perichoresis , a godman, omnipresence, incarnation, a god who is a sacred mystery, a god 'in three persons', dual natures, a reincarnate god, a first person of the trinity, a second person of the trinity, a third person of the trinity, godness, a tri-unity or a multipersonal god), or any of the so-mentioned aspects.. jehovah identified himself (not 'themselves") as on one god, as did jesus and all the prophets.

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  so, come, let us know of the simple twists of the clergy!.

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  The better doctrine is called Oneness or Modalism. There is but one God, incarnate as Jesus Christ. Thus Jesus is not another god, and the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all aspects of the one God.
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  The Deity of Jesus Christ

  by Reciprocity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  fair warning, i am not a jehovah's witness believer, but i am curious about what it is you believe and why you believe it.

  so i am interested in talking to you instead of reading about you from my own christian perspective.

  after all, who understands what jehovah's witness believes better than a jehovah's witness?

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  JoenB75

  I am curious about what my Bible study will reveal about current JW affairs. He tried to call me last week, but I did not get back to him. He claims JW life is much easier and freer now lol. I would say to the OP, that I think John 20:28 proves Jesus is either the one true God himself or fully indwelled by God as per 2 Corinthians 5:19. John 10:30 on the other hand is really not strong, Jesus prays the disciples will be one in John 17:21. In either case, and I say this as a liberal Christian, the basic problem for the JWs is that their religion picks scripture verses here and there but you can never find the JW story preached in the Bible. Trinitarians on the other hand, have a long tradition of claiming and pretending their doctrine is in the Bible. Sophisticated on the surface.
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  Evolution News: Humanlike Footprints in Crete Dated to 6 Million Years Ago!

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  i find it astonishing that humanlike feet could have existed that long ago.

  i wonder if some non-human upright ape might have had that kind of feet that long ago.

  see https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/humanlike-footprints-in-crete-dated-to-6-million-years-muddle-archaeologists-1.10301706 and https://scitechdaily.com/oldest-footprints-of-pre-humans-identified-in-crete-six-million-years-old/ .

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  JoenB75

  This thread is funny, perhaps even historical. It is not everyday you see the credibility of evolution science compared to that of JW beliefs. I take it you guys are not Bible thumpers
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  That Russell did a lot of shopping around before he found doctrines to his liking is a down to earth story that I dont recall we ever were told. The JWs would rather imply that at the appropiate time, God raised this mighty student of the Word, "knowledge shall increase" Daniel 12:4, only to be surpassed by the modern JW.org.
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  JoenB75

  Well to me the most fascinating about second chance / first real chance theology is how he and later Herbert Armstrong could teach this as a fact to his followers without explicit scriptural basis. The other basic doctrines of Russellism after all have some verses here and there that supports or appears to support them.
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  Vienne,

  It surely is an interesting story. Also that Russell could sell this idea to fairly many people that were bible fundamentalists to some extent. I would expect to see such a vital doctrine in the Bible and critics of Russell would to this day ask; where is this in the Bible?
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  JoenB75

  slimboyfat, same with John Thomas and his historicist prophecy interpretations
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  JoenB75

  Vienne,

  I asked on this forum where did Russell get his second chance / one real chance theology? It seems there was a small movement that argued that it would be unfair if God did not let everybody have a real chance learning and working out their salvation under perfect conditions. At the same time a strong emphasis that the few bad boys that would resist this grace, would be out of luck. The universalist movement was much bigger and produced much more books. I remember getting a link to a second chance book, but I cant remember the title now. I remember Russell in his first volume several times connects Acts 3:23 and 2 Thess 1:8-9 as "evidence" for this doctrine. The problem is of course that nothing teaches this in the Bible. I find the view in which we are currently under the new heavens and earth gospel age with Revelation 21-22 showing the aftermath of the spiritual victory of Christ and the second death (a concept John got from Egyptian mythology) being included in the death of 1 Cor 15:26 much more convincing.
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  Watchtower Disparages the Bible

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..

  "...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.

  on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).

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  slimboyfat,

  I think they are wrong because Proverbs 8:22-31 is personifying wisdom. In 1 Corinthians 1:24, Paul personifies Jesus as God's wisdom and power. How far will you take the literalism? God the Father has no power and wisdom? Jesus is not a being / person but attributes? It is personifications. Same in John 1, the Word or words (divine/prophetic) of God are personified in the Jesus and made flesh which means a human being