last night i watched the abc special on the 40th anniversary of king's "i have a dream" speech.
a memory came back to me of the last district convention i attented.
it was in west palm beach (anyone ever been to the leake teepe?
Well, just what is your point in all this, Teejay? You keep bringing up examples of how people could be prejudiced against blacks. So what? Everyone knows racism exists, even black people are racist (shock horror).
So if you can tell me what the point in your arguing about racism (implied or not) that would be most appreciated.
last night i watched the abc special on the 40th anniversary of king's "i have a dream" speech.
a memory came back to me of the last district convention i attented.
it was in west palm beach (anyone ever been to the leake teepe?
Again... thanks. That's all I wanted -- an acknowledgment that sometimes it isn't the lack of education or the lack of a work ethic or anything else that keeps a black person from getting the job. Just skin color.
Well, sometimes it is racism, but I'm not going to buy into your theory that white people and racism is to blame whenever a black person gets passed over for a job promotion or whatever. Using the race card is a cop-out, and automatically highlights your own racist programming, in that you automatically assume the worst.
just thought id say hi.... my name is sens, ive been out almost 3 months...(da).
i only know 2 other ex.jw 's ... so feel sort of isolated...(not that i didn't when i was still in the org but anyway...lol).
i actually have one question....whats the deal with the un thing?.
Hello and welcome from a fellow Victorian!! There's a few of us from Melbourne and surrounds, so if you want to get in touch with us, either send me a Private Message (via this forum) or if you haven't worked out how to do that yet, send me an email: [email protected]
Hope you enjoy your stay here.
last night i watched the abc special on the 40th anniversary of king's "i have a dream" speech.
a memory came back to me of the last district convention i attented.
it was in west palm beach (anyone ever been to the leake teepe?
I don't "believe" what JT says, but I accept his word for it. That is his observation, his recollection of how events happened. But being open minded, whilst I accept what he says, if someone came along who was there at the same time and says something different, then I would weigh up the available evidence as to whose observations I would accept as being more accurate.
If--and I say IF-- JT's experience is true and blacks were unfairly treated in the congos where he's been, could the same mindset that existed in the minds of white brothers who did the mistreating also exist in the minds of "worldly" white managers when it came to their treatment of minorities? Not "does it exist" but "COULD it exist."
Bit of a no-brainer there Teej. "Could" means anything has a possibility of happening. Yes, racism exists in some people, whether they are black, white or yellow.
If a black manager had both a white candidate for employment, and a black one, who do you think he would employ?
last night i watched the abc special on the 40th anniversary of king's "i have a dream" speech.
a memory came back to me of the last district convention i attented.
it was in west palm beach (anyone ever been to the leake teepe?
1. Do you believe what JT said about events in the congregations where he went?
JT has commented on what he saw, but they are the experiences of the congregations he was in whilst a JW. They are the observations of one person, in one American State (I presume he has lived in just the one state, from what I've read).
If your answer is "yes," what is the reason blacks were treated the way they were treated? Did their race have anything to do with it?
How would I know? I wasn't in the congregation he was speaking about. And I wouldn't make generalisations based on just one man's observations. Maybe it was the prejudice of the elders in charge, or maybe the bros simply weren't qualified. How can you judge either? Or is it easier to blame everything on racism?
If your answer to 2b is "yes," could the same mindset exist in the minds of "worldly" managers who run companies in the real world when it comes to hiring blacks?
Possibly, but what exists in some company managers' minds when hiring American blacks isn't indicative of all company managers. Again, you can't blame everything on racism.
Is it truly a generalization when one summarizes the views of a handful of people who have made their opinions known on a topic, as opposed to projecting those views on an entire group?
Let's go back to your original generalisation: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/57800/856337/post.ashx#856337
because they hate JWs so much, these same friends of mine will quickly step up and agree with every bit of what you said about how horrible things are in the average JW Kingdom Hall or at Bethel.
Firstly, you presume that everyone in this "group" of "friends" all "hate" JWs. Pretty strong word, hate is. And then you presume that everyone in this "group" all act like sheep, in accepting whatever is said to us about JW issues.
See, this is where I'm not included in your generalisation. Firstly, I don't "hate" JWs. I hate the corruption and lack of love displayed by some, particularly those at the top, but I don't "hate" everyone who is a JW. Secondly, I don't necessarily agree with everything that is said on this forum. Everyone has the right to say what they like, but I don't have to blindly accept everything I read. Being in the JWs taught me not to believe everything we read, otherwise I'd still be blindly following the GB.
While doing so, they fail to realize the great chasm that exists in their minds that keeps them from making any connection whatsoever or seeing any similarity at all between what goes on in the Hall and what goes on in the world in general.
See, another generalisation! Where did anyone say something like, "Racism only exists in the JWs, but not the world"? Can you provide some proof that anyone in this "group" that you referred to cannot make this distinction? Or is it just your way of justifying that what those you disagree with are wrong, and you are absolutely correct in your views?
Teejay, if you don't like people making generalisations about topics that are close to your heart, then you have to be careful not to make generalisations yourself, lest you appear as a hypocrite.
last night i watched the abc special on the 40th anniversary of king's "i have a dream" speech.
a memory came back to me of the last district convention i attented.
it was in west palm beach (anyone ever been to the leake teepe?
Now, because they hate JWs so much, these same friends of mine will quickly step up and agree with every bit of what you said about how horrible things are in the average JW Kingdom Hall or at Bethel. While doing so, they fail to realize the great chasm that exists in their minds that keeps them from making any connection whatsoever or seeing any similarity at all between what goes on in the Hall and what goes on in the world in general.
I hope you weren't including me in these generalisations. I have more intelligence than that.
i'm only posting this so as to get a buzz from looking forward to our trip to joy & steve's place in october.. i last went to the usa when i was 12 years old and i'm keen to know what differences to expect.
i know that their service industry is vastly superior to ours, someone told me that restaurant staff are actually helpful over there!.
umm, driving on the opposite side is going to be strange.
Make sure you pack union jack shorts and a knotted hanky for paddling.
LOL, that's too cute, I'd love to see a pic of Eman "paddling" with a knotted hanky on his head!
Actually, in the States (and other countries like Australia) they have things called "waves". Not little ripples that end as soon as they start, but big waves that some people ride using a thing called a "surf board". Check it out, it's quite fun (just don't get dumped by a wave and end up with sand in your pants).
i'm only posting this so as to get a buzz from looking forward to our trip to joy & steve's place in october.. i last went to the usa when i was 12 years old and i'm keen to know what differences to expect.
i know that their service industry is vastly superior to ours, someone told me that restaurant staff are actually helpful over there!.
umm, driving on the opposite side is going to be strange.
And that orange stuff that they put on Big Macs that they call "cheese"? That's regular cheese in the States. Just warning ya so you don't recoil at the sight of it like I did.
last night i watched the abc special on the 40th anniversary of king's "i have a dream" speech.
a memory came back to me of the last district convention i attented.
it was in west palm beach (anyone ever been to the leake teepe?
For someone who doesn't like generalisations, you sure like to use them, TJ.
i'm only posting this so as to get a buzz from looking forward to our trip to joy & steve's place in october.. i last went to the usa when i was 12 years old and i'm keen to know what differences to expect.
i know that their service industry is vastly superior to ours, someone told me that restaurant staff are actually helpful over there!.
umm, driving on the opposite side is going to be strange.
Don't forget to tip.
Servings in restaurants are much larger than in Oz or UK - their "small" is our regular-to-large. And they serve salads separately, they expect you to eat the salad as a course, not part of the main meal.
Oh, and they talk in funny accents
