at this point in my life i feel very confident that leaving the jws was the best thing for me.
however, 25 years of brainwashing goes a long way.
(for arguments sake) if religion collapsed today, would you feel you made a mistake in leaving the wbts?
WOW!!!! I can't belief my eyes. NOT ONE PERSON DOUBTS!!! I'm flabbergasted! OK, I learned something new.
I guess I will stick to my guns and belief to be a non-believer. Let's make a pact . . . if that happens I'll throw the hugest party ever so you guys can keep me from seeking the JWs. Restraints are acceptable. lol
at this point in my life i feel very confident that leaving the jws was the best thing for me.
however, 25 years of brainwashing goes a long way.
(for arguments sake) if religion collapsed today, would you feel you made a mistake in leaving the wbts?
WOW!!!! I can't belief my eyes. NOT ONE PERSON DOUBTS!!! I'm flabbergasted! OK, I learned something new.
I guess I will stick to my guns and belief to be a non-believer. Let's make a pact . . . if that happens I'll throw the hugest party ever so you guys can keep me from seeking the JWs. Restraints are acceptable. lol
at this point in my life i feel very confident that leaving the jws was the best thing for me.
however, 25 years of brainwashing goes a long way.
(for arguments sake) if religion collapsed today, would you feel you made a mistake in leaving the wbts?
Thank you everyone for making me stronger in my new belief system.
Joy- I'm glad your back.
i know this is a subject that has been discussed at length on this board.
until now i went along with "not playing their game" and not daing.
now after bill bowen has been disfellowshipped i am feeling embarrassed and ashamed to ever have been associated with this unloving, hypocritical, corrupt organization.
Let's have a "coming out party" of a sort. Let's all get together on a date and DA. Just a thought, maybe i was thinking out loud.
I want nothing to do with this organization. They will always have power over us if we feed into this game. Pretend to not get DF'd or to speak to relatives. Am i being too hasty? I am ready to give up my mother (because she''l never speak to me again) for my freedom.
I WANT OUT!!! Problem is my husband is out as well, but he doesn't want to make it "official." He says he won't go down like that. What are we to do? If I DA and he doesn't then it looks bad. He will be the poor brother with that Jezabel-like, Bitchy wife. OOOOhhhhh por guy. I'll look worse than now. As it is, the elders belief that it was my doing to make him step down as an elder. I am the eveil ONE.
Why do I even bother to care what they think???? HELP!!!!
at this point in my life i feel very confident that leaving the jws was the best thing for me.
however, 25 years of brainwashing goes a long way.
(for arguments sake) if religion collapsed today, would you feel you made a mistake in leaving the wbts?
At this point in my life I feel very confident that leaving the JWs was the best thing for me. However, 25 years of brainwashing goes a long way. (For arguments sake) If religion collapsed today, would you feel you made a mistake in leaving the WBTS? I think I might be confused and I might be tempted to go back.
I am always being told that if something happens to my daughters or husband I'll run back . . . I seriously doubt it. Even if I get sick the last thing i want is to be visited by people in the congregation.
So be honest . . . would you doubt yourself if religion collapsed today? BE HONEST!!!!!
sorry for being rude, i will post english translation afterwards.. quisiera saber si ay alguien que antes perteneca a la congregacin espaol.
estn en la rea del sur de california?
hay que juntarnos, conocernos e intercambiar historias.
Muchas gracias a todos por responder. Ya fui al chat de Yahoo pero parece que fui la primera.
Mandenme email si gustan, prometo responder. Espero crear nuevas amistades. Saludos.
Thank you very much for responding. I went to the Yahoo chat and it seems like I was the first. Send me emails, if you'd like, I promise to respond, I look forward to creating new friendships. Cheers.
have you ever had to deal with the thought that you really weren't that good of an example?
perhaps, the congregation was encouraged to pioneer or reach out for bethel service or go to seldom worked territory, etc.
and when you applied, you were told that you didn't qualify.
Interviews and parts in assembly
Regular pioneer at age 15
Married a regular pioneer
Husband was elder very young
Was always interviewed for child/youth assembly
Was ALWAYS on-call for school in case anyone didn't show up for their part
Was used for the "how to's" in kingdom ministry
Was used for the 1st presentation on how to ask for voluntary donations
sorry for being rude, i will post english translation afterwards.. quisiera saber si ay alguien que antes perteneca a la congregacin espaol.
estn en la rea del sur de california?
hay que juntarnos, conocernos e intercambiar historias.
Sorry for being rude, I will post English Translation afterwards.
Quisiera saber si ay alguien que antes perteneca a la congregacin espaol. Estn en la rea del sur de California? Hay que juntarnos, conocernos e intercambiar historias. Ponga in anuncio aqu por favor. Gracias!
I'd like to know if anyone here use to belong to the Spanish congregation. Are you in Southern california? Let's get together, get to know each other, and exchange stories. Please post here. Thank you!
there are hundreds and hundreds of permitted extra-curricular activities for jw's to enjoy.
activities that have nothing to do with religion or worship where jw's can really have a ball!.
so, for all of you people who sometimes wonder if you should perhaps go back, lets all list the permitted fun things that any witness can do in his / her spare time.. i'll get the ball rolling:.
We had a blast! (REALLY). We would get together every Saturday after the meeting, do a potluck and then dance the night away (Salsa, Merengue, Cumbia, Rock, House). It was a blast!!! We did that every Saturday night and Sunday until wee hours of the next day. For about 5 months straight! Most were MS some elders but then we stopped waking up on tome for Sunday preaching and out the door our fun went. We had a Special Necessities meeting. It was all abruptly ended. I miss those days. We also used to go clubbing to downtown . That was a little frowned upon be huge groups of us use to go. Not much elders could do.
At social events we'd play guys vs. gal charades from my book of Bible stories. Or hot potato whoever was left with the potato when music stopped was completely humiliated.
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH . . . those were the good old days. Now everyone hates me and can't even stand to look at me.
Edited by - prisila on 25 July 2002 19:30:15
Edited by - prisila on 25 July 2002 19:30:39
hello, first time poster, long time reader.. i was wondering just what my title asks.
if i own/read/admit to apostate material, can that get me df'ed?.
i know better then to admit that i believe the apostate material to the elders, or that i disagree with the society's teachings, but will simply admitting to owning and reading them get me df'ed?.
Hi Panda!
Seems like we ALL have a lot in common. I feel your pain. I KNOW how horrible the torture and agony is of being in the middle. You can NEVER really just ride the fence. You are either evil or good . . . NO IN BETWEEN! My pain is horrific and unbearable and ONLY another ex or present fading JW understands. It is not fair to put someone in this position. Especially, when your parents and family should love you unconditionally. I can't take this horrible pain anymore! I have decided to live my life. My family members have chosen theirs. Am I not entitled to live the life I want? Easier said than done.
Abrother2 gave me the most beautiful quote:
It went something like this - "I'd rather have have my own mind, than answers I can't question and questions I can't ask."
Panda I feel you pain . . .I need a hug!!!! ;(
Edited by - prisila on 20 July 2002 5:7:31
