this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
Laika
Remember you said Jesus shunned everyone who wasn't Jewish. Since the bible records him talking to non Jews this is wrong. QED. |
mP:
Well he wasnt setting much of an example was he ? Imagine you repeated the same today to a black or white or some other racial group ? Would that be honourable ?
this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
Laika
MP:Give me the many, i know of one scripture but not many.
Laika:
I gave you 2 scriptures, Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:19. One of those was the last thing Matthew recorded in his book, demonstrating he thought it was important to preach the message worldwide.
mP:
The other 3 gospels never mentions anything remotely like this order. Strange for such an important message to get lost.
Laika:
Jesus came to preach to the Jews but he said he intended his message to be preached to everyone and wanted his disciples to spread it after his death, which they did, Paul was not the only Christian missionary you know.
mP:
Thanks for confirming my assertion. The fact is Jesus ignored and set the example of ignoring everybody but the jews. Repeating histry we all know doesnt change that fact, nor does it change the anger and practices of Peter.
mP:There is the example of the good Samaritan woman that he ignored and walked away.
Laika:
Where is this?
Remember you said Jesus shunned everyone who wasn't Jewish. Since the bible records him talking to non Jews this is wrong. QED.
MP:
Read the text i gave the scripture, where Jesus tells her she shouldnt take whats not hers because shes not jewish.
So how did Jesus example get so corrupted by Peter and the other followers ? How exactly do you explain the scripture from Acts and the faact that it was official policy ?
Just because it got fixed doesnt excuse the crimes and history of the former. Peter honestly believed preaching to gentiles was wrong.
this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
laika
If you were you'd surely have heard 'this good news will be preached in all the earth' and 'go therefore and make disciples of all nations' several thousand times each, both from the book of Matthew.
MP:
Give me the many, i know of one scripture but not many.
MT
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
ACTS
16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia ,
MATT
| 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: |
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. |
| 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. |
| 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. |
| 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. |
| 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. |
| 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. |
| 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. |
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. |
Anyway actions speed louder than words, jesus made no attempt to preach to non jews and never left judea or gallilee. Given Peter and others didnt think they should be preaching to non jews, i think pretty much summarises what Jesus taught them ? Are we to believe Peter just forgot about this one line in matthew or was there another message that jesus repeated more often and that they remembered ?
Laika
And if you think actions speak louder than words why are you only pointing to words when Jesus actions never showed him shunning anyone?
mP:
There is the example of the good Samaritan woman that he ignored and walked away.
Show me a scropture where Jesus left Judea & Gallilee and preached to gentiles ? What possibly stopped him ?
this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
Adamh
I just remembered, the passage your referring too is a known interpolation. Even the NWT says this in the small print that accompanies the story about the woman caught in adultery.
this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
mP:
Do you mean like how he shunned everybody who wasnt jewish ?
Laika
Huh? That never happened, start with John 4.
mP:
Actions speak louder than words. Jesus himself tells us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans
No wonder with messages like this peter and the other apostles wouldnt eat or preach to the gentils and end up having a big argument with Paul.
Unless J was a terrible teacher or all his apostles were utter idiots who misunderstood, the conflict with paul can only be resolved to confirm that Jesus taught and led by example the idea of ignoring non jews.
Samaritans are half jews, in that they share a common heritage and are not considered gentiles.
sheep & goats.
jesus said, "truly i say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me".. exactly to whom was jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?.
the subject matter of matthew chapter 25 deals with christ's judgement of all humans, and verses 32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only two groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'.
@searcher:
Perhaps Pauls persecution story is bullshit, after all theres no proof of it at all. Rome wouldnt allow one religious nut to kill other nutters. Its bad for business to kill tax payers and slaves.
this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
s&r
and pay your taxes. If anyone tallies jesus advice its plain to see he was a rich roman stooge.
this one is shorter than usual (!
), since it makes a simple point, based on jesus' example found in john 8:.
http://awgue.weebly.com/would-jesus-shun.html.
Do you mean like how he shunned everybody who wasnt jewish ?
i constantly read that having faith is the answer to knowing that god (or in most cases, jesus) exists.
but to me it's quite clear there are serious difficulties in believing the bible.. adam and eve.
talking snake.
yes theres evidence which is the truth and theres evidence that people make up about jesus.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
@clarity
You dont need oxygen at 8km, people live and work above 5km all the time.
