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  Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, according to analysis of scores of scientific studies stretching back over decades

  by besty in

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  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html.

  study found 'a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies.

  a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.. .

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  mP

  not less intelligent, but definitely less educated.
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  Even MORE evidence for "Jesus died on a Cross"?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i like jwfact's http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php.

  it would probably be interesting to add the information found in this article:.

  http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/the-staurogram/.

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  slim:

  This is in the face of what archaeologists at the site have said about evidence of habitation during the first century.

  mP:

  Im sorry i disagree, your making a sweeping statement that is simply not true. this another presumption that the story including elements like N is true and basically a cycle. N existed because J did and vice versa. Bart never says N existed , but he is also weary of making a firm statement that the town presented in the gospels is a mostly a fabrication.

  i suggest you read salms work for a different view point. the true story is, queen helena the mother of Constantine, came to galilee and couldnt find Jesus home town, so she picked a spot and that became nazareth. its all fabrication. The problem is Salm work is quite interesting and its a major problem that he can find and highlight so many problems.

  slim:

  Why would they make that up?

  mP:

  because they misunderstood the idea of nazirite and made it into a town. The same q can be made why make up the miracles. The only answer is they lied.

  josephus lived less than 1 mile from the spot we call Nazareth for a few years and yet he never mentions it. he was quite a proficient writer and wrote a lot of mundane and interesting history but he never tells us of Nazareth. he writes about many prophets and groups and even less extraordinary people. The most we can find is two breif lines one (the Test flavianum is considered a fraud). Even if we rewrite the story and remove the miracles, we still never find the masses of followers, the trial or anything from J the gospel story.
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  Even MORE evidence for "Jesus died on a Cross"?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i like jwfact's http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php.

  it would probably be interesting to add the information found in this article:.

  http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/the-staurogram/.

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  Slim

  One can only wonder what they thought about it, if they gave it any great thought.

  mP:

  Im sure many realise the bible and WT theology is a lie and invention. They realise there is no good and everything is an invention.
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  Even MORE evidence for "Jesus died on a Cross"?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i like jwfact's http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php.

  it would probably be interesting to add the information found in this article:.

  http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/the-staurogram/.

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  Slimboy

  Yes he does, on pages 191 to 197, and the idea that Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' time looks weak indeed.

  mP;

  just read 191-197.

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  Whether b Obama was born in the US or not... is irrelevant to the question of whether he was born...

  If the gospels are supposed to be taken seriously, how can we trust them if they resort to downright fabircation which is basically lying.

  Can anyone take an autobigrapher seriously if they are completely dishonest in this manner ? Why cant they simply be honest, unless they are trying to lie and lie some more. the problem is by lying and saying that jesus was prophecized in the OT, requires them to twist and misquote the OT constantly. in this case as bart mentions they try and work the idea of Nazarene and apply it to a place rather than a religious order.

  ...This flies in the face, where Jesus came from ("Jesus came from nazareth in galilee"), but zindler maintains that that verse was not originally part of mark...

  So everytime theres a mistake its in authentic. If thers so much lies and edits what part is true ? isnt this just completely rediculous ?

  p192

  Why would Mark invent a town that didnt exist to explain how J could be a Nazarene, when the term originally meant was that he was a nazirite ?

  mP:

  If you read the rest of Salms work, you will notice its more than likely that Nazareth didnt exist. I think its fair to say that Bart hints at this and delibrately avoids going into further detail becaue its embarrassing that such a major foundation of the jesus story is most likely a lie.

  We could speculate on Marks motivations but that doesnt change the fact he lied and twisted the bible to try and create the story of a just a preacher called jesus. lets not forget there is no ressurrection in the original mark. while mark did tell a grand story, jesus is not the god man of the other gospels.

  p193...

  bart discusses Salm but he doesnt tell the full account that most likely Nazareth didnt exist as a town with inhabitants at the time of J. Why not make a statement and simply say N prolly didnt exist and the entire thing is an invention ?

  What can we trust from Mark if he lies so often ? perhaps jesus is based on some individual, but how can we know when so much is a lie ?
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  Even MORE evidence for "Jesus died on a Cross"?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i like jwfact's http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php.

  it would probably be interesting to add the information found in this article:.

  http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/the-staurogram/.

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  slimboy:

  The ankh interestingly is a fertility symbol, being formed by a penis(shaft) and a vagina(the loop). given the jews copied circumcision from the egyptians along with other religious terminology its very intersting. Amen=atum=amon aka amon ra.
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  After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

  by smiddy in

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  he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

  fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

  with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

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  COLD:

  “The Testimonium Flavianum is not even talking about the Jesus of the Bible.”

  Actually, it’s entirely about the Jesus of the Bible. But since you have openly accused me of lying, which I’ve never accused you or anyone else on this board of, here, in full, is the Testimonium Vlavianum:

  mP:

  You have not quoted the text in full. Theres an entire chapter surrounding that text. you again failed to provide links. Something to hide ?

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimonium_Flavianum

  Scholarly opinion on the total or partial authenticity of the reference in Book 18, Chapter 3, 3 of the Antiquities to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate , a passage usually called the Testimonium Flavianum , varies. [4] [5] [1] The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety

  http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XVIII#Chapter_5

  3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, [9] those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; [10] as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

  You also failed to discuss who jesus the son of Damneus is. Nearly all scholars acknowledge the TF to be an insertion.

  Josephus only called one person the messiah, vespaisan. He never acknowledges jesus at all outside of the TF. THere cant be two messiahs at the same time. Supposedly Josephus claims jesus is once but writes entire books about V and his divine right. Sure he was biased, but the shear weight of numbers shows the Jesus text as being at best out of place. Archeology and studies of text also shows it to be an insertion.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants

  • Vespasian, c.70, according to Flavius Josephus [13]

  But why let the facts get in the way of a lie ?

  Lastly i called you a liar, because you failed to address damning problems with your assertions. i have shown that you have omitted very important facts because they are inconvenient and pose real problems to the credability to your argument. That is being dishonest and a liar.
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  Even MORE evidence for "Jesus died on a Cross"?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i like jwfact's http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php.

  it would probably be interesting to add the information found in this article:.

  http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/the-staurogram/.

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  Earnest

  Christians appropriated the device and invested it with a new function and meaning all their own.

  mP:

  They also borrowed and repurposed pagan holidays and architecture and customs. All the temple rituals and architecutre of the temple in judaism is pagan. Take a look at the internal decoration of thet emple and it is a precise copy of babylonian man creature beasts. Then we move to the idea of sacrifices and so on. The simple answer for adopting xmas on 25 dec is because everybody knew it was the same thing in the end. if it was really so different or offensive the holiday and possibly religion would have died. However they were so similar that the two continued together.
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  Reza Aslan (author, "Zealot: the life and times of Jesus of Nazareth") interview on TYT

  by adamah in

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  reza aslan (author of "zealot: the life and times of jesus of nazareth") makes a few points during an interview on 'the young turks' that really deserve their own thread.. .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k .

  his main point often missed by modern-day believers is that the writers of the gospels weren't even attempting to write an accurate historical account (which is a modern concept) but instead seeking to convey truths (truisms) via jesus' use of parables and the story of his life and death.

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  adamah

  It really begs the question of what did the Gospels say, before someone with an agenda got a hold of it (that is, if it even DID have an original message)? And WHEN did it happen?

  mP:

  What reason do you have that the gospels were altered other than the goodwill inside your heart ? This is repeated by many that try and claim that hte gospels werw written in Aramaic when all the oldest copies are in Greek. The only sensible conclusion is they were written in Greek which in itself is an embarrassment for any that claim somehow they were written by eye witnesses. The fact that the gospels have geographic mistakes further explains the texts are not from locals.

  We can only read the text for what it says. That is the simplest conclusion.

  It makes more sense to say the gospels were invented by non jews most likely romans. Gods have been invented by rulers for a long time. Serapis was extremely popular in Egypt even though it appears many knew he was invented.
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  In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth...

  by geek in

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  this very first sentence in the bible makes no sense to me, i struggle with it and i am wondering what other's thoughts are on the subject.

  don't get me wrong, i believe in god, i believe their is a creator, or atleast i hope their is.

  but i struggle with him creating the heavens and the earth, i mean, why would he?

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  Who created the creator ?
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  So What Do You Think: Are JWs The WORST Religion One Could Be In?

  by minimus in

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  be realistic..

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  DogGone

  JOSH
  No. Guys, the Christian right may not be your cup of tea, but they're not blowing stuff up. "Islamic extremist is to Islamic as "blank is to Christianity."

  No one responds.

  mP:

  Thats not true. if it wasnt the xians in the USA, would israel exist ? at the very least they do really help make sure those weapons go to israel and they do hurt and kill plenty of palestinians. Im not saying the p are saints, but the xians are not pure either. just how much support do the xians give for wars in iraq or afghanistan ? arent many Republicans also xians ? isnt the religion part of the motivating factor in both the politicians and public who give support ?