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  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

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  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Then why the hell do they act as if they are? Why do they demand that their drones view them and treat them as if they are? They are or they aren't. Can't have it both ways. If they aren't, they have no claims to the obedience and adoration of millions of people.
  
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  Arrival of War in 1914 a Shocking Development

  by berrygerry in

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  2. beliefs

  one comment-giver during the rules study, remarked that ww1 was predicted by wt to arrive in 1914, despite the fact that everyone expected an era of unparalleled peace.. this was something continuously drilled into our heads - how peaceful everything was prior to ww1.. when you look at wt library under 'world war i' - "unexpected" - the results are all offline - there are no recent references ( unexpected: re 106; w92 5/1 4-5; yb87 124; w86 2/15 5; w86 11/1 6 ).

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200276290.

  the offline quotes are as follows:.

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  Wayward

  From the history books I've read, war wasn't completely unexpected. Tensions between the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the rest of Europe had been building for years before World War I began. No one expected it to begin at precisely the time it did, but the murder of Archduke Ferdinand and his wife was the match that set the powder keg off. It would have happened sooner or later anyway. If war had come in 1908 or 1920, the JWs would have gone back and edited their prophecies accordingly. Its what they do. When something doesn't work out, they say "Oh, you misunderstood us. We didn't mean that at all!"
  
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  Jonathon Edwards preached to the Red Indians

  by StopTheTears in

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  2. friends

  i never knew that the famous new england theologian jonathan edwards spent some years as a missionary to the red indian tribes.

  there are various modern ideas as to how one should preach to those completely ignorant of christ and the way of salvation, but edwards had confidence that the gospel is the power of god unto salvation for all people.

  perhaps someday those still living in pagan lands will accept christ and share in the blessings of america.

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  OMG! I haven't heard anything so patronizing and condescending since I quit going to the Kingdumb Hall. And what if the godless 'heathens' tell you to take your Jesus and stuff it? Are you going to force them to convert at the point of a sword or at the end of a gun? Burn them at the stake for being 'demon worshippers'?
  
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  CO visits me today

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

  so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

  so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

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  chook, you get the hero award. I only wish I'd had your presence of mind the last time a pair of elders showed up at my door.
  
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  What if all JWs had put off having children?

  by keyser soze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could the religion have survived?.

  i know it was never forbidden, but i remember growing up, how we were encouraged to put it off until the new system, and instead focus on a career in the full time service.. can you imagine if every young jw had chosen to follow that counsel?

  it's difficult to imagine the religion being sustainable without the next generation of born-ins..

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  Nevuela, the Amish have started taking in foster kids and adopting. It's probably because their numbers are so low that the gene pool has become a very shallow puddle. I agree. Surprised the WT hasn't jumped all over 'rescuing' children from the evil world and raising them as 'true Christians'.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Just because you say "in Jesus' name amen" at the end of every prayer doesn't make you a Christian. Just because you throw a token mention of Jesus into a sermon or tract once in a while doesn't make you Christian. Especially when every other aspect of your religion is geared around venerating a group of seven men. At the summer conventions, were JWs told to show loyalty to Jesus? NO. They were told to show loyalty to the 'organization', another word for the Governing Body. That right there tells me what JWs really are: worshippers of the Governing Body.
  
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  An old Kingdom hall now a church?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have any of you heard of anything like this.

  i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.

  apparently the society sold it to the church.

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  Oh yeah. I saw it happen firsthand. My congregation sold its old KH to a church to pay to build a new one. made me laugh every time I drove by and saw a big old cross on the side facing the street. The church outgrew the building and its now a daycare center.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Can a group call itself 'Christian' when it sets a group of men, the Governing Body, in the place of Christ? This Governing Body has set itself up as mediators between their fellow believers and God, an idea that has no basis in the Bible. Jesus' own words, "No one comes to the Father except through ME." No mention that men could ever be go-betweens with God, cutting Christ out altogether.

  Of course, I'm an atheist so it really doesn't matter much to me. Call yourself Christian or whatever you want.
  
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  Petty Rules

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  did your congregation have any petty man made rules?

  i remember the elders in my cong didn't like if a single brother and single sister walked in the parking lot together after the meeting ended, to their car.

  you couldn't hold the mic or give a talk without a coat (that might be a universal jw rule).

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  rebelfighter, you didn't miss anything. I still despise nylons. I haven't worn them in ten years, the same time I last put on a skirt. They're too hot in the summer and your legs freeze in the winter. For some reason leggings and tights weren't allowed for 'sisters' winter wear.

  Tallon, you grew up in a WAY more boring congregation than I did. I thought mine was stodgy and stuck firmly in the 1890s, but at least our parties were a little more lively. We could play most pop rock and country western, though a few of the older folks would complain. Line dances were okay but unmarried couples dancing together could get a little iffy.
  
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  Petty Rules

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  did your congregation have any petty man made rules?

  i remember the elders in my cong didn't like if a single brother and single sister walked in the parking lot together after the meeting ended, to their car.

  you couldn't hold the mic or give a talk without a coat (that might be a universal jw rule).

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  No sports coats (less formal than a suit coat but still dressy) until a CO showed up wearing one

  No colored dress shirts. White only. Until younger elders rebelled.

  No facial hair of any kind, not even moustaches, if you want to be an elder

  No spaghetti straps

  No open-backed dresses

  No denim skirts

  No sundresses. 'Immodest' even for very young girls.

  Nylons MUST be worn by women

  No ankle jewelry

  Two-piece bathing suits HIGHLY discouraged