Posts by proplog2

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Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

by Maximus in

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barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

proplog2

Alan:

You know as well as I do that the "effect" of the absense of a qualifier is one of the most important tools in the propagandist kit.
Ask an African American about the expression "you people".

"You people" don't want to work. "You people" just want a hand-out.
"You people" isn't "All you people". But the implied "ALL" has the same semantic response.

Those who know how to use the language, like you do, are completely aware of the problem of the implied "all". Ordinary speech is adequate when the consequences are not serious. But when you are criticizing a group of people you ought to be responsible enough to use "exact" language.

Your attempt to brush off your negligence is as I correctly interpreted - part of your viscious stance towards JW's AND your assumption that the audience you are talking to shares your viewpoint.

I will not waste my time pointing out the fine points of general semantics and the tools that lead to sane speech. You know the tools for the language of both science and propaganda. In this case you seem to be determined to be a propagandist. You behave quite a bit like the Watchtower - just the other side of the coin.

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Rookie on the Field

by peacepipe in

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i've been reading this forum page for about a year.

at first i thought it was a meeting place for practicing jw's but after reading many posts found that most people here have been hurt or don't see things eye to eye with the wt org.

i am not a jw but i have been associating with them for about 3 yrs.

proplog2

In spite of all their imperfections, misjudgments, arrogance, negligence JW's have achieved the next step for mankind. They have followed Jesus' example by remaining separate from this worlds selfish nationalism. As a JW you can parachute blind-folded just about anywhere in the world where there is a congregation and find people who will accept you as a brother.

This unity has been achieved with some of the poorest, most ignorant people on the face of the earth. This fact condemns the mighty, rich, intellectuals who hold conferences on world unity at luxury retreats and come up empty handed.

This brotherhood is what will save you when the inevitable time of trouble referred to as the Great Tribulation hits. I'm going to take a break from this board until sometime in October when I can make my usual dire predictions for the future.

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Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

by Maximus in

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barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

proplog2

Hillary:

I'm not going to defend a hate note written by "who"?

But essentially they were offended by what they felt was a betrayal of confidence. Personally, I feel if my wife leaves me she is entitled to tell all the sordid events of our intimate lives to any who may have curiosity. I love when people tell "all". Even though I don't care much about Ray Franz (he benefited from and continues to benefit from his high rank) I enjoy the gossip. I would hope that this board could be flooded with gossip about those in high places.

If that hate note was really writen by a JW it was mostly a wishing of bad luck on Maximus. I prefer Jewish curses. May Maximus inherit a boat-load of gold --- and may it not be enough to pay his hospital bills! (Just kidding)

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Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

by Maximus in

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barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

proplog2

Seeker:

It is polite to use qualifiers when criticizing a group of people. Without qualifiers you assume that a group is being described as a "class". So if you say JW's are a certain way the implication without qualifiers is ALL of those "classifed" as JW's are the same.
If you say "some Jehovah's Witnesses", you are on safer ground. If you say "many Jehovah's Witnesses", "most Jehovah's Witnesses" then you have the further obligation to present evidence that would show to a reasonable degree that your statement conforms to reality.

You have to be careful with the word "typical". Your opinion about what is "typical" may or not conform to reality. An opinion is not a fact. That's why comments by Alan and others that leap to generalizations tells us that they are vindictive or just careless in their habits of speech. If they are just careless than a simple acknowledgement ("sorry") will keep the lines of communication open. If they are indeed vindictive, mean-spirited (like the Watchtower often IS) than they will do as the Watchtower does and simply ignore my statement.

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Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

by Maximus in

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barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

proplog2

Mommy Dark:

Do you think that repeating the semantic errors of others is some kind of rebuttal? To me it shows you have no desire to argue in good faith.

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Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

by Maximus in

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barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

proplog2

Sorry Maximus:

When I went back to look for that post I couldn't find it but vaguely associated it with the Gladiator Picture. Does someone else use that picture too? From now on I guess I'll have to ignore the pictures. As, I have found out, some guys put pictures of women for their Icon. Just goes to show the effects of suggestability are insidious and we all have need to practice the language of sanity even though the black box is pretty scambled.

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Jehova's Witnesses offices attacked in Russian cap

by Kent in

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jehova's witnesses offices attacked in russian capital .

bbc monitoring service - united kingdom; aug 27, 2001. windows were broken at a moscow office of the jehovah's witnesses on saturday night, moscow police told interfax news agency on monday.

all the windows on the first and second floors of the building in northwest moscow were shattered by the unidentified attackers, they said.

proplog2

Kent:

Do you like it when people break the law and vandalize property?

Do you think the Russian government ought to ban JW's. Do you think Russian Orthodoxy should be the only religion in Russia? Do you think the Salvation Army is a paramilitary group and should be banned?

It is one thing to hate a particular religion and attack its beliefs with facts and logic. It is another thing to advocate tyranny and enlist the help of a police state.

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Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

by Maximus in

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friends

barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

proplog2

Alan/Ranchette:

Once again you take an incident and turn it into a blanket judgement of "all" JW's. This is a serious fallacy.

Alan said: "And some posters don't think JWs are capable of overt killing! LOL!" The implication here is that ALL JW's are capable of killing. The fact that some people in any population are capable of extreme behavior is hardly worth noting.

Ranchette said: "it exposes the way witnesses think"

No Ranchette it exposes the way YOU think.

Can't you see the real problem here? I presume Maximus got an anonymous e-mail. If I am wrong let him correct me. Maximus refers to this E-Mail as from "one of the organizations faithful servants."
How does he know who wrote that E-Mail? Does saying that you are going to pray that a person dies in an airplane accident or fire mean that they are going to sabbotage some flight Maximus takes in the future or perhaps committ arson on his home?

If you are combating irrationality you had better make sure you are on guard over your own irrational tendencies.

Did I see a post in this thread about some JW conducting the Watchtower and taking special pride in being a "glorious one". Did the writer of that post make a comment that indicated their delight in the irony of that persons not-so-glorious death from cancer? Was that post from our beloved Gladiator? Must have been deleted. Good for him.

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Matthew 25

by Farkel in

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when did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you?

he was talking about food, clothing, shelter and supplication to the least of the brothers.

he could not be talking about anything else and here is why: could any human offer jesus spiritual food?

proplog2

Farkel:

I need to apologize to you. I think I may be guilty of a "Gilda Radner" (I don't know how to spell Roseanna ...)

I read your post two more times and your issue ISN'T the showing of charity toward those on the outside of the congregation but rather charity within the congregation.

I have been the recipient of charity from the congregation & I have silently helped many others. Even though I was just a 3 hour a month publisher with no "position" the congregation paid for my hospital bill and food for my family until I recovered from a life threatening illness. By the way I got no help from my witness parents even though they were fairly well-off and enjoying a retirment of leisure and travel. My witness parents were pleased that they didn't have to crack open a CD before it matured. I have known many generous witnesses and quite a few skunks too.

Even though I had a family of six I have on several occasions taken in people who had mental problems and needed a place to stay until they could get a handle on their problems. Many times I have secretly dropped off groceries at the homes of brothers who were having problems. To be honest I seldom contribute money to the contribution box.

After re-reading your post I see that we agree on one point at least. The distinction between "annointed" and "other-sheep" is kind of self-serving. It is supposed to be one flock.

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Matthew 25

by Farkel in

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when did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you?

he was talking about food, clothing, shelter and supplication to the least of the brothers.

he could not be talking about anything else and here is why: could any human offer jesus spiritual food?

proplog2

You Know:

We Know.