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  I'll Pray for you. What's your feelings when someone says that to you?

  by El Kabong in

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  2. friends

  for those of us who left organized religion, how does it make you feel when a xtian says they will pray for you because you don't believe the same as they do?

  personally, in my opinion, that is a very obnoxious statement, especially if i don't ask or want someone to pray for me.

  to me, that's saying that i am wrong and they are right, and they are praying to god that i will see things their way.

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  Say: "When you get in touch with God could you ask him to send me some money?"
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  Quit School / Encouraged not to go to college/ unit

  by shamus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many of you quit school b/c of the religion?

  another question - how many of you did not go on to college / uni b/c of the religion?.

  do you regret it?.

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  I get the award for stupid. I am a third generation JW. My JW parents wanted to send me to college (1960's) and I chose to pioneer instead. At the time I felt they were spiritually weak for encouraging me to go to college. My mother still throws that up to me. However, I DID faithfully follow the leading of the Faithful Slave.

  My oldest kid is in college. Another one is going to be going after High School.
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  Crossing Over,with John Edwards !

  by Blueblades in

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  do you know someone who had this experience?.

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  Reborn:

  Are you saying you would like to help these guys "cross over".
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

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  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  Hilary:

  I don't really know why I brought up the Catholic Church - except for the fact that they're BIG.

  We are probably all in agreement that even the recent adjustments the Watchtower has made WOULDN'T have been done without the spotlight of the media.
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  Hilary:

  I have no objection to people fighting for justice. I think it's good that people are being encouraged to go to court for remedies due to personal damage. If they need a support/advocate group that helps them deal with this, fine. What I object to is the blanket accusation that JW's are a "Pedophile Paradise". At best this is hyperbole meant to get attention. Unfortunately those kinds of statements alienate the 6 million JW's who are happy with their organization. Those are the people you ought to be trying to reach. In many cases there are people in the organization who really need help because they have been molested, yet they honestly are affraid of turning people against them. Given the choice between forgiving the offender and leaving the organization they will attempt to adapt. Bowen's use of alarmist language is a red flag to these people and it may scare them off.

  Bowen of course has another agenda besides simply helping people who have been harmed. This doesn't take any mind reading. It is quite transparent.

  My question is a logical one. Because in the mind of the average JW their organization works hard at removing the leaven.

  Personally, I feel that some of the practices engaged in by the courts in dealing with accused Child Molesters is unconstitutional but is tolerated because of hysteria over the problem.
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
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  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  Hawkaw:

  I KNOW what JW's do. And I realize that excommunication is actually overused by JW's. Also a person could be serving time for an offense and be humbly repentant. But what do other religions do when one of THEIR members is convicted of sex offenses?

  We know that Catholic Priests have been protected and shuttled about - but are convicted sex offenders ever excommunicated? Maybe the Catholics are more Christian than JW's because they figure if a person confesses serious sins and then partakes of communion they are fully forgiven.- even pedophiles!
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  Anti-Aging Breakthrough

  by metatron in

  1. jw
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  if you want to completely understand the current progress - and hope - in antiaging research, go to:.

  if that doesn't work, go to www.lef.org and read the biomarker article.

  anyhow, while there is no magic pill to halt aging yet, solid research is rapidly progressing on how to slow aging down.

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  Metatron:

  So, how is your Calorie Restriction going?
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

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  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  Bill Bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement. But, don't JW's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-4-03 WT Study

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the may 4, 2003 wt study

  march 15, 2003 watchtower.

  wts quotes will be in red.

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  Did the early Christians have a huge pedophile problem dogging them?

  Unfortunately Christians are only human. Some dissenters would have you believe that JW's have a unique problem. The early Christians had problems too.

  Consider this:

  2 Peter 2:2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.

  Although JW's overuse excommunication as a remedy they at least carry on that practice while most Christian religions are cesspools of fornication.

  1 Cor. 5

  Actually fornication is reported among YOU, and such fornication as is not even among the nations, that a wife a certain [man] has of [his] father. 2 And are YOU puffed up, and did YOU not rather mourn, in order that the man that committed this deed should be taken away from YOUR midst? 3 I for one, although absent in body but present in spirit, have certainly judged already, as if I were present, the man who has worked in such a way as this, 4 that in the name of our Lord Jesus, when YOU are gathered together, also my spirit with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 YOU hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

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  YOUR [cause for] boasting is not fine. Do YOU not know that a little leaven ferments the whole lump? 7 Clear away the old leaven, that YOU may be a new lump, according as YOU are free from ferment. For, indeed, Christ our passover has been sacrificed.

  Did the early Christians keep announcing wrong dates for Christ's return?

  1John 2:18 Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.

  Revelation 22:20 "He that bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes; I am coming quickly.’"

  Did the early Christians keep making 180-degree flip-flops in their interpretations of certain scriptural principles

  The history of Christianity shows it is a work in progress. That's why there were special councils to settle the issues.
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  Birthdays and Wedding Anniversaries

  by Beanie in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have never understood why jw's cannot celebrate their birthday but can celebrate the anniversary of their wedding date?

  i am somewhat resentful that my 18th and 21st birthdays came and went like any other day.

  the only consolation i have is that my kid's birthdays are going to kick ass.

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  I don't care much about celebrations. I don't like structure & I think most celebration is just structured sociableness. Those who want to celebrate something should be free to do so. And those of us who don't like participating shouldn't be condemned as anti-social.

  There is a difference between "helpful" giving and "gifting". Gifts seem to carry a lot of ulterior motives. The quality of gifts a person receives depends on their social status and the status of their group of friends. Rich kids get the nicest Christmas presents. Poor people can barely afford to have a meal out for their wedding anniversary whereas the rich are sent on elaborate holidays by their kids.

  I've been to huge anniversary parties thrown in behalf of certain "special" elders & their wives. It is a kind of class distinction. What about the sister with an unbelieving husband and 6 kids? How does that make HER feel? What is SHE supposed to celebrate?

  I never celebrated much of anything as a JW. And I think there is some merit to just telling someone "I turned 40 today" and having them say "Congratulations You just wasted half your life, let me buy you a drink."