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  Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

  jeremiah 43:12. .

  jeremiah 43:13. .

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  A Christian:

  How would the destruction of the "thousands of legalistic so-called "Christian" sects which now make up Christianity" wreck the business of those involved in world trade?
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  Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

  jeremiah 43:12. .

  jeremiah 43:13. .

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  Ros? (Channel C?)

  I think we have talked about Babylon the Great. This has been an irritant for me since 1980.

  It was really hard to sit through the book study tonight listening to the conductor extoll the logic of the Watchtowers explanation of Babylon the Great.
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  Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

  jeremiah 43:12. .

  jeremiah 43:13. .

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  Where does the wealth of this worlds religions fit into this picture?

  In 1998 the total Revenues received by Religious Institutions in the USA was:

  - 76 billion dollars-

  This may seem like a lot of money. But compare that to the total of 9 trillion dollars Americans spent on ALL goods and services. (1998)

  That 76 billion dollars is equal to only .8% of all that they spent! Not 8% but 1 tenth of 8% = 0.8%

  The Watchtower goes to great measure to describe the terrible results to the worlds economy if religion is destroyed. Does anyone really believe that if the consuming public didn't spend that paltry 0.8% on religion that the economy would suffer? Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of economics knows that if people are deprived of spending their money on something that they will either save it or spend it on something else. Is it hard to think of the public adding 76 billion dollars to the 1.2 trillion they are already spending on health care? The whole point here is that a 0.8% item in any budget is no big deal.

  Then there is the problem of the mourning ship captains. Most of the money paid out to Religion is local. Religion is primarily a service. Only 10% of the money received by Churches was spent on building and repairs to buildings. 7 billion dollars worth of building materials isn't going to excite the ship captains of the world even if ALL of it were imported.

  It is extremely naive to think that Babylon the Great is the Catholic Church or some imaginary World Empire of False Religion. Religion constitutes only a tiny piece of the world's economic activity. Some have suggested that if there were no Christmas people wouldn't buy the things they buy at Christmas. Who thinks up that kind of stuff? Others have said that economically distressed Governments are going to strip Religion of her property. Just what Governments need - more property! Are they going to use it for government buildings. Are they going to sell vacant church property? Who's going to buy it?
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  Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

  jeremiah 43:12. .

  jeremiah 43:13. .

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  Narkissos:

  Good points. There are a variety of ways to look at Revelation. The Bible may be a fiddle you can play any tune on but some are a little too dissonant.
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  JW Divorce Rate

  by sandy in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  anybody know what the jw divorce rate is these days?.

  how many dub couples do you know that got divorced?.

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  I performed 3 weddings and I have a perfect record. 3 divorces.

  A couple years ago I was sitting at a Watchtower study on marriage. I got bored. So I wrote down the names of all the weddings I attended.

  It was about 60. Half of them are divorced. I would say the divorce rate is the same for JW's as it is in the world.
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  Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

  jeremiah 43:12. .

  jeremiah 43:13. .

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  Star:

  Whatever Babylon the Great may be I am sure it isn't some "world empire of false religion". The Watchtower can't defend that position at all.
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  Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

  jeremiah 43:12. .

  jeremiah 43:13. .

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  Tuesday Nov 7 the bookstudy is about "Identifying Babylon the Great"

  So I thought I would bump this topic one more time.
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  Maybe There's a Heaven...

  by LittleToe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.

  neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.

  everything was so new and unknown.

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  As I was going about my business I recalled reading a book 30 years ago "The Further Reaches of Human Nature" by Abraham Maslow. He was very interested in what he called "Peak Experiences" of "Self-Actualizing People".

  I never thought much of Maslows "Needs Theory" but he did give an interesting secular spin on the kind of experience being discussed here.

  There is another Psychologist from University of Chicago with an unpronounceable name Mihaly (something) who wrote several books on what he called "flow" events.

  Narkissos: My use of the word "own" is in the sense of "integral".
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  Maybe There's a Heaven...

  by LittleToe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.

  neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.

  everything was so new and unknown.

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  Little Toe:

  Inside every "sweet" person is a spiteful brat. You can't change THAT.

  I don't give a damn about convention. I can't change THAT.

  So go ahead and enjoy your boundaries, social walls, convention, ego. Perhaps your experience of divine love is an effort by your body to break through to authenticity. People who hide behind convention experience "love" as a foreign body. If you could own your love it wouldn't be haunting you.

  Others here won't understand what I'm talking about. They will think I am being an asshole to you. But YOU know what I'm talking about.
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  Maybe There's a Heaven...

  by LittleToe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.

  neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.

  everything was so new and unknown.

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  Little Toe:

  I read your response to what I wrote and I think you misunderstood me. I was not saying that your experience of great love for the lord was like cutting your penis off. I was saying that it bewilders me how anyone could actually come to the decision of something as radical as a sex change - yet people do those kinds of things. I'm not criticizing sex-change surgery but I think it is pretty serious business.

  So if this extreme phenomenon can take place what is so strange about conversion experiences. It appears a lot of people have them.

  As far as propriety. Isn't the word "stuffy" paired with it. This IS an open discussion. It is NOT some 19th century reading room.