what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
Freeman:
What's your obsession with stiff ones up the ass? And you "wish you could hire such services"? Is that an open invitation to those that may be willing to offer such services to you? Are you kind of threatening me? Are you putting out a solicitation for some goons to sodomize me for money?
You're a great defender of your ideas. You are simply "Homo". You lost the Sapiens part a long time ago.
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
AlanF.
Easy killer. I was expressing my opinion in a way that would get attention. Silent Lambs web-page is a reckless exhibition of opinion with no regard for "all-ness".
As with most opinion I agree that there are elements of the "nothing but.." fallacy. So what.. it's an opinion.
Are you thinking about turning in that naughty hand yet? Which is it? Your left or your right?
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
Waiting:
My substitution of the words "unfotunate" for "terrible and horrible" is according to the Rational Emotive Therapy technique. The words you use in talking to yourself (actually "thinking") about a problem have a lot to do with your emotional reaction. Ellis suggests using the words "very difficult" as a substitute for "impossible". Something that is "terrible" suggest an event that is "impossible" to deal with and results in shutting a person down. There is a wide range of reactions to rape etc. depending on a persons particular temperament or constitutional make-up. Healing involves these sublte changes in the vocabulary we use in thinking about the event.
Another sublte bit of self-talk that can keep the wounds open is the use of the word "should". You mentioned "it should not have happened" referring to your father. Albert Ellis would say that you should substitute the words "it would have been better if...my father wouldn't have abused me." Should or shouldn't suggests an absolute state of affairs. If in fact something shouldn't happen it doesn't happen. Ellis' techniques are not univerally effective - no therapy is - but the RET (Rational Emotive Therapy) model is used by a lot of counselors.
When lawyers try to get money out of an institution or rich person in a civil suit they have to manipulate the jury into thinking that what happened to their client is horrible and permanent. They want the jury to believe that an ordinary day in the life of the victim is living hell and therefore deserving of commensurate compensation. Institutions are targets because they have money. Lawsuits try to associate responsibility to the richest entity in the chain so that the whole effort is worth the time.
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
This thread is a textbook lesson in the inability of people to interpret what is clearly written. It is no wonder that newspapers screw up stories on a regular basis.
Calling into question the claims of victims is not taking the side of perpetrators. So far we have our "hero", Mr. Bill, making that claim. What really surprises me is our resident "logician" AlanF acting irrationally. Yes my statement was hyperbole. And since I'm not REALLY the molester AlanF keeps asserting, I should probably take his statement as counter-hyperbole. But there is truth to my statement. Lawyers stand to make money in this endeavor. Victims are encouraged to wallow in "victimology" as a way to sharpen the broomhandle whose real destination is some kind of symbolic butt-poking of the Watchtower.
I never said that 99% of the claims of molestation are false.
I estimated that 99% of the people on this forum are one-sided on this issue. Judging from the comments here I may have to lower that to 80%
I am all for conviction of REAL molesters. There seem to be plenty of them. I don't believe that the uniquely private nature of this crime justifies the bending of the usual rules of evidence. It has not been proven that Children can't lie.
I am all for giving victims the counseling they need to change their perception of their experience from something "horrible and terrible" into something that was "unfortunate". This is the goal of counseling. It is the difference between a scar and a festering wound.
There is a part of me that wants to see the Watchtower organization get whooped for their arrogance. But the fair side of me says this ain't the issue.
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
Naeblis:
Your statement is just another hypothesis that cannot be established by facts. It is part of the mythology that surrounds this emotionally laden issue.
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
Bill Bowen:
What a vindictive ass you are. How dare you suggest - like your cohorts that I am probably a molester. Good to see you come out of your miserable hole to take another bite.
To everyone:
Here you see the leader of this malicious movement suggesting by innuendo that the unfair remarks of others in this forum have some sort of factual basis.
READ MY LINKS BILL.
Most here will not read the links. Heaven forbid that they might be exposed to another side of this issue.
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
Violet:
I hope those who caused you harm have either reformed or have been punished.
You seem to have come to grips with your experience.
what a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
What a bunch of wall paper. 99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
I am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants. It is assumed that if you aren't for the Silent Lambs cause then you are automatically and advocate of child molestation. In fact not a few in this forum have called me a child molester. What utter stupidity.
I challenge all of you to check out the following links.
There is another side to this whole issue. Don't be a knee-jerk follower.
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_3_4.htm
erica rodiriguez.
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http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/40039.htm
Your language dicounts your message as being worthy of a serious response.
erica rodiriguez.
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http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/40039.htm
Alan F:
I may be an idiot. But you are clearly talking irrationally. You have your own ego invested in this silent lambs choo choo and you think you're going to ride it to victory. If victory consists of making the Watchtower cough up some money so be it. If victory means stopping child molestation or even making a dent in this problem you are going to be disappointed.
Over 100 years ago Freud didn't know what to do with all the stories he was hearing from well-bred society ladies about being molested by fathers,brothers, uncles. He came up with the electra and oedipus complex to explain it. This was a big error. These women were not suffering from a complex they were no doubt actually abused. Tell me Alan, what are the current estimates of the percentage of children that have been molested?
I was never molested nor have I ever molested anyone. As a JW for 50 years I have talked to many women and men who were molested as children.
Perhaps YOU are a molester Alan. There have been plenty of molesters who have used noble causes to avoided suspicion. You see, it really doesn't bother you or me what anyone believes right? You know you aren't a molester. I know I'm not. So why resort to such innuendo? You have a knee-jerk reaction to this issue.
I do believe Alan that you have a serious problem with frequent SELF-Molestation.
