Jeremiah:
I have given a lot of thought to the error of believing that Babylon the Great is a religious entity. Please read the following thread:
proplog2
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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Jeremiah:
The word anti-christ is not used in Daniel.
I agree with the idea that if a pair of events is similar in their descriptive wording and dramatic roles, similar in action, similar in sequence and similar in results, we should probably think of the events as the same event.
Little Horn King of North Wild Beast Dan 8:25 "Against the Prince of princes he will stand up" Dan 11:36 "Against the God of Gods he will speak marvelous things." Rev. 13:6 "And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence" Dan 8:24 "And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certainly prove successful and do effectively. And he will certainly bring mighty ones to ruin." Dan 11:39 "And he will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds" Rev 13:4 "Who is like the wild beast and who can do battle with it." Dan 8:11 "and from him the CONSTANT FEATURE was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down...and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success." Dan 11:36 "and he will certainly prove successful until the DENUNCIATION will have come to a finish." Rev 13:7 "And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones... And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it." -
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Have got myself in a bit of trouble
by Zico innot a big amount of trouble, only a little bit of trouble.
it's not like i'm going to be disfellowshipped or anything.
but would appreciate some information anyway!
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proplog2
Where the hell are the angels? I thought they chaperoned. If you aren't afraid of the angels watching you its pretty easy to ditch a chaperone.
Billy Graham was so cautious that he wouldn't even ride an elevator alone with a woman.
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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These threads never make it over 200 views. I only post them so there is an obscure record of my bizarre orientation.
So this should be sinking pretty fast.
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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Need Proof:
Because I am basically an atheist I may seem to have no right to be interested in prophecy.
The source? Daniel gives a sketchy description of the kingdom of the heavens. Danile 7:10 "The Court took its seat,"
Could this be some kind of cosmic federation? This court seems to be able to remove rulers on the earth and fix things for good.
Anyhow the big thing is Putin needs to stay in power if he is going to take over the world. The Russian constitution says he's finished in March 2008.
It will be interesting.
If nothing happens. Then nothing happens.
I feel I have the most coherent explanation of Daniel & Revelation.
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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Jeremiah:
The final struggle on earth before intervention from the "sky" is the ascendency of the King of the North over the King of the South. It is the King of the North that is destroyed by Michael the Great Prince. The final King of the North stands against the Prince of princes (Michael the Great Prince) and is broken without hand (Dan 8:25) . The feet of clay & iron also represent the final kingdom which is destroyed by a stone that was cut "without hands" (Dan 2:45)
The final struggle in Revelation has the wild beast destroying Babylon the Great. The Wild Beast in its final form appears slaughtered but revives (Soviet Union) Babylon the Great is the richest empire the earth has ever seen. It has hegemony over the whole earth. The USA fills that role perfectly.
The Wild Beast destroys Babylon the Great just like the King of the North Destroys the King of the South. Boths scenarios end in intervention from the sky.
By the way look at Daniel 8:23
"In the final part of their kingdom as the transgressors act to a completion, there will stand up a king fierce in countenance and understanding ambiguous sayings. And his power must become mighty but not by his own power. And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certaingly prove successful and do effectively. And he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones. And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand. And in his heart he will put on great airs, and during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin."
Fierce in countenance (NIV stern-faced) = Putin
Understanding ambiguous sayings (NIV master of deception) = Former head of FSB (KGB)
Becomes powerful - but not by his own power = Putin was appointed by Yeltsin. Look up these search terms on Google "meteoric rise" "Putin"
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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I have no argument with you. I know you call it faith. Those of us who have followed your posts (including french baby face) know you as having a contagious optimism. This comes naturally for you. I am sure you don't have to work at it. You have a way of letting things just happen (including adversity). It's like water off a ducks back. It is a gift - and is part of your inherited constitution.
You are NOT an enemy of evolution. The enemies are silenced on a regular basis in court battles. As long as we don't get nuked back to the stone age those who need to understand evolution and do research based on that paradigm (genetics, mutating viruses, curing diseases) are going to get the right start by learning evolution in their educational process.
Evolution works for those who need it to do their work.
I hate to see your good nature attacked by those who take this discussion too seriously.
I believe in evolution because it is a very useful model for the way I live my life. Compete, cooperate whatever it takes. The odds increase in your favor the more often you place your bets (buy stocks, explore product niches, select right people for right jobs, go to the audition, put in job application etc.) the better your chances to succeed. That's what I get from evolution. Faith in God has some of the same effects - God helps those who take calculated risks.
The arguments come when people become afraid. The largest Christian Faith (Catholics) acknowledges evolution as fact - I don't think scientists have to be allergic to theists.
You have a lively mind - the mind of a survivor. That kind of mind makes the world safe for science.
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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proplog2
I have presented this particular argument many times.
Creationists have never dealt with it.
Scientists are dealing with material objects - fossils, dna, mutations, classification of organismic structure etc. None of these things can actually talk. These things can't communicate with us in our language.
Creationists apparently believe that evolution is "logical and rational" ENOUGH that it is believable. They fight it because it threatens the spirituality of their fellow believers and especially their children.
On the other hand creationists claim that all of this was created by an entity that has the power to explain where evolutionists are making their mistakes - where they are getting off track. This entity can talk in human tongues if necessary. If nothing else he could guide a spirit led scientific researcher to the knock out punch to disprove evolution. What a vindication that would be for God.
Instead we are left with a book that doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the brain. We are left with a book that teaches that sperm is a fluid with little men and women floating in it. The Bible doesn't even acknowledge that women have eggs. Women are just soil - barren or fertile. The reason the Bible doesn't have this knowledge is because scientists didn't have microscopes to make that determination until fairly recently.
Christians can only reach one conclusion. God likes it this way. He is allowing evolution to separate the faithful from the unfaithful. He is giving the Devil permission to use this weapon to capture people for the burning fires of hell.
God believes in the survival of the fittest. It appears God is REALLY an evolutionist.
AMEN
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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Needproof:
Your argument that you can put ANY old rivalry in these roles misses the point of SIGNIFICANCE.
The fact that there are nuclear weapons makes our time SIGNIFICANT. Our time is unique. Nuclear weapons are not going away. Humans have the power to destroy themselves.
The last half of the twentieth century was dominated by two great nuclear powers. The USSR and the USA.
Even with the end of the cold war Russia and the USA keep each other in their crosshairs.
Is it just coincidental that Russia is the largest country in the world (2 times the size of the USA). And what about the significance of Russia's location. Is there any question that geographically speaking it is really the King of the North. It's capital, Moscow is about even with the southern part of Hudson bay. It's most southern point is about even with Chicago.
Is it just conincidental that at this point in time the USA is pushing NATO right to the borders of Russia? This after Bush # 1 promised NATO wouldn't expand into the Warsaw Pact vacuum after the USSR allowed East and West Germany to unite?
There are MANY more obvious coincidences in Daniel and Revelation.
This is not a popular topic on this DB. The Watchtower is wrong for the right reasons. The amazing thing about Bible prophecy is that its message is hidden in plain sight.
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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 intoday putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".
attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?
no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".
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"And in the time of the end the King of the south will engage with him (King of the North) in a pushing" Daniel 11:40
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