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  Facebook Comments From JWs About Kendrick Case

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i can't believe do catholic priest get hit with payouts like this.

  definitely feel terrible what happened to her but to hold the society responsible for a person not living by bible standards is crazy.

  what a pack of lies about secrecy and cover ups.

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  vanyell

  Going off to light a firestorm on another non-English JW Facebook page....

  Mga Saksi ni Jehova - Balita, ATBP
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  Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

  by yourmomma in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  is this recent?

  http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

  i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

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  vanyell

  You guys know where this "written policy of Watchtower New York, Inc., which instructed all Elders in Jehovah’s Witnesses Congregations in the United States to keep reports of child sex abusers within Jehovah’s Witnesses secret to avoid lawsuits." can be found? Thanks.
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  Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

  by yourmomma in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  is this recent?

  http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

  i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

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  vanyell

  I think it is still relatively easy for the WTBTS to place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Fremont elders, and then tell the other JW congregations that God is winnowing the JWs to separate the sheeps from the goats. In addition, there is a possiblity that they will play this up as persecution by the world. Something more earthshaking is needed to severely crack their facade of holier than thou attitude.
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  It's still bugging me...

  by mrsjones5 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  but instead saying something i most likely would regret later i'm going to rant here.. this was touched on on otwo's thread.

  there's a jw woman who's kids go to the same school as mine.

  my oldest son is friends with this woman's oldest son.

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  vanyell

  Hmmm... why not treat it like a counter intelligence operations? Purposely seed fake info so that she'll discredit herself. Theocratic warfare in reverse. Give them a taste of their own medicine... Except that that this is entirely unChistian-like though...
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  Are the Witnesses opposing God with their twisted view of "higher education"?

  by matt2414 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  msnbc is reporting that "the government reported friday that the unemployment rate for college graduates fell slightly in may, to 3.9 percent from 4 percent a month earlier.

  for people with just a high school degree, the unemployment rate increased to 8.1 percent, from 7.9 percent a month earlier.".

  the bible says at 1 tim.

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  vanyell

  Armageddon is always around the corner. So what use is higher education, since Jehovah will be blasting everyone (non-JWs) away into oblivion? Unfortunately, too many JWs are willing to suspend their individual thinking just to escape self-responsiblity. Something similar along the lines of Adam blaming Eve and Eve blaming the serpent.
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  Would mankind be better off without religion today ? A topical debate .

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is an interesting debate paneled by people representing both pro and con aspects of religion as a ideological concept in human sociality.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfix_e1qnbm.

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  Nice feeback. But then there is a rub. How about the parent? the parent's parent? I mean where's the reference standard to determine whether the child have become a moral adult?

  We have standards for weights and measurements. Those standards were determined due to their permanence or stability and integrity. If material objects have a reference standard to compare to, shouldn't human morality have one too? Let's assume that the laws like Code of Hammurabi or Ten Commandments are non-existing or flawed due to their connections to religion, or simply consider that they don't exist at all. What would the reference standard for morality come from?

  What does being treated well mean??? How do we know that we are being treated well? What is morality? What determines right and wrong? Why do humans think? Maybe mankind would be better off with its thinking feature turned-off...
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  Would mankind be better off without religion today ? A topical debate .

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is an interesting debate paneled by people representing both pro and con aspects of religion as a ideological concept in human sociality.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfix_e1qnbm.

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  vanyell

  As much as I want to condemn Finkelstein for being a godless person, for debunking the Bible (or as WTWizard would call it, LIE-ble). He does have a valid point. I think human behavior in relation to religion is a classic case of nurture vs nature.

  Questions to ponder:

  1. If a child grows up in an environment without any connections to religion (devoid of any, even the most minor trappings of religion), will the child grow up into a moral or an immoral or an amoral adult?

  2. In the total absence of religion or belief in God, how do we know why right is right, and wrong is wrong? Will it be via the resulting pain or pleasure or something else?
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  Is the WTS and the JW's going to collapse in 2014?

  by braincleaned in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  two years to go, and an embarrassing whole century will have gone by after 1914 -- the date of armageddon.

  in no world is that a "short period of time".... .

  let's put things in perspective, since the wts claims to be the channel god has choosen.

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  vanyell

  I would agree with blondie that it will be hard to say as to when WTS will collapse. Most of the JWs nowadays have been thoroughly indoctrinated that the "new light" has cleansed out the old stuff and not to focus on/or give importance to the past history of failures and idiocy.
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  "Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12

  by yourmomma in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?

  its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .

  if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?

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  vanyell

  Cedars, I noticed that you mentioned that you don't have access to Watchtower publications prior to 1950...

  http://ia700304.us.archive.org/27/items/WatchtowerLibrary/
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  Would mankind be better off without religion today ? A topical debate .

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is an interesting debate paneled by people representing both pro and con aspects of religion as a ideological concept in human sociality.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfix_e1qnbm.

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  Hmm... Question, did Communism/Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism made it better for those living under their shadows??? They are "godless" ideologies, religion is the opiate of the masses... Guess what happened next....