Posts by Pubsinger

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

Pubsinger

ANL

Just read your profile and gather that you're not an ex-JW ( I take it you are a Christian!)

I agree with your last post.

How much of the JW doctrine and interpretations though would you have to adhere to to be a real JW? I don't know anyone who does/did. Secretly nobody believed that the 7 trumpet blasts of Revelation were talks at 1930's conventions. Or that a beard made you unacceptable to God. But officially they believed.

I don't believe any JW believes that Jesus is NOT their mediator despite what the WT says. Secretly they believe that he is.

As for denomination, I believe that that is becoming more and more indistinct. It is becoming more and more common for Christians who move from one district to another to visit several churches of different denomination before deciding where to make there "home church" They are looking for Christian fellowship as opposed to a denomination they are comfortable with.

I find that less and less do people identify themselves as Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans etc but just as believers or Christians

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

Pubsinger

Corporate salvation is impossible. I agree with you there. However, that isn't what JWs teach.

Re-reading your post this is my point.

I don't believe it's what "JWs teach" that matters. Obviously it's the WT that "teaches" and sets doctrine not individual JWs

However what the individual Jw believes is a different matter. And I believe plenty go straight to God and worship in spirit and truth.

I know I did.

I believe I was saved while still a JW. I was enlightened and left.

But I left because I was a Christian not to become one.

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

Pubsinger

Hi ANL

What I was trying to say is that I believe that an individual can be a Christian (and be saved) despite formally belonging to a group with flawed doctrine.

I'm fairly certain that there's "flawed doctrine" within most Christian churches but there are Christians there and some professed Christians who are not.

Zack.

Sorry but I can't agree with your post as a blanket statement. At what point does the "untruth" or error in church doctrine or tenets render it's associates non-Christians? Are there "grades" of Christians - below 65% becomes non-Christian?

I believe that it's totally posible to worship in spirit and truth and yet still be holding fast to some error.

JW's, therefore, cannot and do not

worhsip God with Spirit and Truth and therefore cannot be Christians.

I understand the logic in what you're saying it's just the way you say "JWs". It implies that everyone is the same and I don't believe that they all.

The society would love there to be uniformity among them but there isn't. I believe that Jesus judges them all individually and by his rules noe the WTs

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

Pubsinger

I can see where both sides are coming from here.

But I believe that the question is unhelpful.

I don't believe in corporate salvation. (anymore)

So to say JWs are Christians or not is to say that salvation is a corporate thing.

I believe that you could be a JW and a Christian. It depends on your personal relationship with God. That doesn't mean that JW doctrine is correct.

So I would have the same problem with saying Baptists are Christians. Some are.

I also don't believe in corporate condemnation. As far as I can see salvation is all about individual relationship.

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WT NEW LIGHT

by logic in

new light hidden under basket?

put new light in questions from readers...... watchtower may 1, 07.....questions from readers... when does the calling of christians to heavenly hope cease?.....this article does with away with the harvesting of the 144,ooo ending in 1935 that the society has more than insinuated for years.

now they have left it open ended, same as a generation.

Pubsinger

Not been on the board since before Easter but the threads which have appeared in the last week do seem to confirm that the WT did indeed hold back the May 1 WT until after the memorial.

That gives them a year to try and keep partakers from sky rocketing.

I predict that they will stop counting as a poster suggested 3 or 4 weeks ago.

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When and How soon should I start dating?

by Crumpet in

so i've been officially single for just over a week now.

mr c laughed fondly when i asked him in barcelona if he missed me yet and wanted me back.

so how soon is too soon to get back into the dating scene?

Pubsinger

I am definitely NOT dating anyone with kids again - not unless they are grown up and live in Australia. Its way too much responsibility! However the bookshop idea appeals.

What if they've got kids AND a bookshop

Oh wait . . .I see . . .not what you mean't

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Hear ye!!! Hear ye!!! Good news.

by mouthy in

jw
friends

i have blondie & irreverant coming to canada to visit for a few days!!!

june 3 till???

( as long as they want) 5th ---so all you folks that live in this neck of the woods come visit with them....i will e-mail all my address that want it, bumble bee, mary,rosilie already have marked their calenders >>>>.

Pubsinger

Obviously cant make it but just so Emo doesn't kill your thread

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Is it just because i was raised a JW?

by helncon in

yesterday (sunday) we went to our daughters church for family service as they have these at the end of each term for the kids club (sunday school) and if you don't know about my beliefs that i don't have any and i am one not wanting to have anything to do with any religion.. anyway there are a few things that caught my attention during this service as i normally tune out but they were talking about how jesus was telling a parragul (sp?

) about sowing the seeds and then it all came flooding back of the memories about how the jw used this, and you know it was strange as this church was saying things almost identical to what the jw would say.. this is not what i was wanting to mention but i thought this was interesting.. so after all the service they have a morning tea for everyone afterward and i got talking to the minister/father/pastor (don't know what the head person called) wife and the subject come about christmas and i told her that this was not as important as when jesus died and that he wasn't even born on 25th december she was taken back that he was not born on this day as i told her he was born earlier in the year and i explained how this is the reason, she was gob smacked!.

i thought this was common knowledge so i wonder if she will go back to her husband and ask questions if this is true.. so i ask the question is it common knowledge that jesus was not born on this day and it is a pagan holiday or is it a jw thing.

Pubsinger

Most JWs have no idea at all how the "Church Year" works.

They think that the church hasn't sussed out that the anniversay of Jesus' death couldn't always fall on a Friday

They totally fail to realise that that these sort of structures and frameworks are out of CHOICE not IGNORANCE.

It's just a different way of observing.

So they feel that the "Recommended Memorial Bible Readings" that they have for memorial week are some exclusive fab idea they've had! But they are totally ignorant of the mass of "Lent courses" and "Study programmes" available culminating in reflections on Good Friday and celebrations on Easter Sunday.

Far more importance and significance is given to Jesus death and ressurection in "Christendom" than in any Kingdom hall.

I've said this before, but Christianity completely wiped out pagan significance of dates by hijacking them and giving Jesus the attention.

Who do you think would be most annoyed. God for the honor given on previously "pagan dates" or Satan, the one supposedly behind those pagan festivals who just lost all his publicity?

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Post Your Spring Pictures!

by SWALKER in

sun setting over peach orchards in the deep south!

swalker

Pubsinger

Hey Emo!

That's 5 mins from my house!!

I'll be making a flying visit at 11 (cheaper than texting )

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Massive increase in baptisms

by Zico in

jw
friends

i had my special assembly day last saturday, i missed this part as i was on a walk, but my family told me about it, and i've confirmed it with 2 other witnesses.

in one of his talks, our 'special' speaker, who is also a do, said: 'baptisms this service year have already exceeded baptisms for the whole of last year, and that's before the conventions!

' obviously this can't be verified until the figures are released next year, and it wasn't clear whether he meant worldwide or just britain, but either way it's concerning, and i would guess that the 'bible teach' book has been very effective.

Pubsinger

Its true they've had a 500% increase in Britain.

From 2 baptisms every 3 assemblies, to 10 baptisms every 3 assemblies.

See. An ENORMOUS increase.

You can do anything with figures.