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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

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  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  Sorry but it's not intellectually dishonest. It is an attempt to explain something that we cannot explain.

  But you appear to think that everything can be explained? And it is that that I find surprising.
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

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  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  Do you accept that there are scriptures that indicate the deity of Christ? If you do, that would be the contradiction that believers were faced with. Jehovah of the OT with Jesus' claims in NT. The Jews rejected his claims, his followers accepted them. But there is the problem of reconciling the one God of the OT with Jesus and Holy Spirit in the NT.

  But you already know that. And your conclusion is that it is polytheism. Fair enough!
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  It means that the trinity is an attempt to explain something which is contradictory. I said that 3 hours ago.

  It is a mystery. It could also be wrong.

  I can't see why you think that a being that existed in a totally different form to us and wasn't governed by our physical laws and of which there was nothing that we are aware of in our universe to compare it to, is an impossibility?
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  Frankly I don't like your snotty tone. I wasn't pretending anything. First comment I made was that this was bizarre. And I meant you. I didn't know what angle you were coming from. I do now.

  Yes of course it is a contradiction. There is nothing that we are aware of in our world that fits this description. That is why I said the trinity was a concept.
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  As you understand the doctrine due to you being an evangelical preacher, how did you reconcile the passages referring to Christ's deity with passages saying there was one God?
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  As I understand it, according to the trinity doctrine, there are 3 persons but only one God. Yes it is a contradiction.

  Why the aggressive tone?
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

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  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  In that case you are right. The trinity is an attempt to reconcile the two contradictory statements that there is one God with the statements that say the Father is God, Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

  The only way that that could be true, is if the nature of God or the stuff that God is made up of, allows for an entity where 3 distinct beings make up God. Without making the claim that they are all the same person.

  Could such a being exist. Well it would have to avoid scripture being contradictory.

  I wasn't being rude earlier 😊
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  I'm trusting Cofty that you are aware that the trinity doctrine doesn't teach that the Father and the Son are the same person? And you are familiar with gobbledygook terms like modalism and Sabellianism?

  And that your assumption that explaining the nature of God should be simple and couldn't be a mystery is contradictory in itself? Attempting to grasp fully the nature of an eternal being that by definition cannot fully be grasped by a finite mind is going to be challenging and to a degree conceptual.

  Hope there weren't too many big words there for you.

  Will have to reply later as I am at work.
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  Yes it does have something to do with your question.

  The trinity is a concept. An attempt to explain the nature of God as revealed through the whole of scripture and to reconcile seemingly contradictory statements like 'there is one God' with other statements which Vander referred to such as Jesus being Ho Theos.

  I will have a go at your challenge this evening.

  However 'disallowing gobbledygook terms' is a bit unfair as the process is challenging and requires a bit of intelligence!
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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Pubsinger

  This is bizarre.

  Cofty, can you not grasp the concept of a being, apparently the ultimate, eternal, all powerful being who could exist in a state that is completely different from humans and not governed by the same rules?