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  Did You Know...Jesus Does Not Kill Satan The Devil! ... You Heard It First Here!

  by MADMARY in

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  this topic is especially for all the bible scholars in the house.

  the real serious ones... ...who like this type of bible discussion, though-provoking, challenging.. (please click below for the discussion covering this topic, in detail.).

  jesus does not kill satan the devil!

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  leaving_quietly

  You may possibly be correct. Or not. Doesn't really matter.
  

  Revelation 20:7 shows that Satan is hurled into the lake of fire. When is death hurled into the lake of fire? Before or after Satan? If Revelation 20 is viewed in sequence, then death is hurled into the lake of fire after Satan is. (See Rev 20:14) If Satan is destroyed before death doesn't necessarily mean Christ is the one to kill him just because he's king. It makes sense that God would be the one to carry out that particular action regardless of who is king. Oh, and we must recognize that God is always king, even while Christ is. Just because Christ is king doesn't mean God is not. But, God has chosen to let Christ rule. That's what the covenant for a kingdom is about.
  

  That said, who kills Satan does not affect our faith one iota, so it's not worth much of a debate.
  
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  2015 DC Invitation

  by pixel in

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  you saw it here first!.

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  Leaving-quietly, are you sure there will be 2 dramas about Jesus?? They must be listening to us here, because awhile back there were some posts here which mentioned that in all the org's histories of convention dramas (80-100 years or so), "Christ's brothers on earth" have NEVER ONCE produced a drama about Jesus.

  I thought the very same thing!!!

  Thanks to BluesBrothers for the translation. I mis-spoke. A "two-part" drama.
  
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  2 More March 2015 BOEs!

  by Atlantis in

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  more march 2015 boes!..

  click the link below and then click the green download button.. .. 2015 march 20, boe.

  (re: the final week of jesus life on earth).

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  leaving_quietly

  Thanks, Atlantis!

  Really?

  In addition, all congregations will shortly be provided with an updated list of suggested cleaning supplies from a recommended Watchtower supplier.
  

  Really?
  
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  The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

  - prayer.

  - personal study.

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  leaving_quietly

  I've never heard of the five pillars. I've heard PASS for years (Prayer, Association, Study, Service)
  
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  2015 DC Invitation

  by pixel in

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  you saw it here first!.

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  leaving_quietly

  Two dramas about Jesus. Hmm. Me thinks they are going more mainstream here... This RC will probably appeal to a much wider variety of people than past conventions.
  
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  CHRISTIAN BY DIVINE PROVIDENCE

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following information looks at the use of the descriptor "christian" and "jehovah's witness".

  reference is made to information published by the wtbts, as is information in wikipedia.

  a discussion ensues at the end.. insight vol i - christianpublished in 1988the latinized greek term khristianos, found only three times in the christian greek scriptures, designates followers of christ jesus, the exponents of christianity.ac 11:26; 26:28; 1pe 4:16.it was first in antioch [syria] that the disciples were by divine providence called christians.

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  The translation of the Greek verb khre·ma·ti′zo as "by divine providence called" is unique to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. It has been translated as such from the beginning (1953) up to and including the recent 2013 revision. An examination of translations via Biblegateway shows that they all translate khre·ma·ti′zo simply as "called" (except Young's).

  In this case, the NWT appears to be giving a translation that brings in the flavor of the word, and in this case, I agree with the translation. From Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:

  From chrema; to utter an oracle (compare the original sense of chraomai), i.e. Divinely intimate; by implication, (compare the secular sense of chreia) to constitute a firm for business, i.e. (generally) bear as a title -- be called, be admonished (warned) of God, reveal, speak.

  Also, see here and here for other interesting writeups about this.

  In reviewing this history, I have resolved to refer to myself as a Christian only.

  
  

  Rutherford selected one Hebrew scripture for his re-branding strategy - thereby denying every Christian scripture which commanded Christians to witness for Christ!

  Yes, and the verse Rutherford chose was there for a particular purpose. A reading of Isaiah 43 shows what that is. It was not to be a name for a religious organization, otherwise, the Israelites would have been called "Jehovah's witnesses" 2500 years ago.
  
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  CHRISTIAN BY DIVINE PROVIDENCE

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following information looks at the use of the descriptor "christian" and "jehovah's witness".

  reference is made to information published by the wtbts, as is information in wikipedia.

  a discussion ensues at the end.. insight vol i - christianpublished in 1988the latinized greek term khristianos, found only three times in the christian greek scriptures, designates followers of christ jesus, the exponents of christianity.ac 11:26; 26:28; 1pe 4:16.it was first in antioch [syria] that the disciples were by divine providence called christians.

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  Marked for later reading when I have more time
  
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  The "Great Multitude" and the "Jehovah's Witnesses"

  by Doug Mason in

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  i wonder if someone is able to tell me the date and publication when those of the "great multitude" were first included with the "jehovah's witnesses".. i do not mean the "jonadab class", since to me they appear to be different to the "great multitude".

  (i am open to correction on that but i will need precise references.).

  doug.

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  According to the index, the earliest reference to the "great crowd" as "Jehovah's witnesses" was w48 p.87. There could be an earlier reference, but not sure. Here's an image snippet of that WT:
  

  
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  Help! I'm drowning!

  by vinman in

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  my wife and sons don't know how far i have gone in withdrawing from the organization in my heart.

  i've been faking family worship.

  i got angry and almost showed it while watching the march tv.org.

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  leaving_quietly

  Sorry to hear what you're going through. I'm in the same predicament. I'm a little farther along, though. My wife knows how I feel about this religion. We've had a couple of intense discussions about it. So, I know how you're feeling. I'm living it.
  

  I was about to ask the same question as Oubliette. Did you mean "worshipped Jesus" in the past? Because JWs certainly don't do so in the present. Does it bother you that they once gave more credence to Christ than they do now? I wasn't sure what you meant by that.
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  Watchtower and the Dishonest Use of Uncredited Images

  by jwleaks in

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  the below image comes from the following web site page: commons wikimedia.

  the author of the work has granted licence to use his work providing he is properly credited or attributed as the author.. .

  [credit: daniel meyar, licensed for use under creative commons].

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  leaving_quietly

  I have to agree with Dark SpilveR here. The assets "page" is not a page per se. It's very common for a site to have an assets folder, or for high traffic sites, a whole server dedicated to assets. In web programming, a page is made up of a number of things, such as the html of the page, the text content, scripts, stylesheets, images, videos, etc. "Assets" are the individual pieces of these pages and typically include scripts, stylesheets, images and various other media (e.g. videos). Thus, the image is there on the assets server, just sitting there, waiting to be used on some page somewhere. No credit is necessary for an image at rest.
  

  Also, in looking at the source of the page in the article the image is used in, one can see that the image has different sizes, presumably for different platforms (desktop, tablet, mobile). The one you referenced is the smallest image. There are two other sizes referenced, one medium, and one large. There appears to be some script that they use to place an appropriate sized image on the page for layout purposes, likely depending on the device (desktop, tablet or mobile). Both the medium and the large image have the credit embedded directly in the image. It's completely possible that if the smallest one is used, the credit is made elsewhere outside of the image in the page it's composed on, or it's possible that the smallest image is never used on any page even thought it's in the "small size" script variable.
  

  http://assets.jw.org/assets/m/g10/201011/g10_201011.art/102010407_univ_cnt_3_md.jpg

  http://assets.jw.org/assets/m/g10/201011/g10_201011.art/102010407_univ_cnt_3_lg.jpg

  I believe, in this case, there isn't an issue.